1 00:00:37,459 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,420 --> 00:00:41,759 explore the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:44,430 ride into the world of the paranormal 4 00:00:52,009 --> 00:00:47,710 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:56,609 --> 00:00:52,019 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,630 --> 00:00:56,619 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology ones as 7 00:01:05,100 --> 00:01:00,640 well as other dimensions it's time to 8 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:05,110 take back the night now your 9 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:07,360 electrifying hosts of exploring the 10 00:01:26,809 --> 00:01:19,830 ice witchcraft wicked witch crap and I 11 00:01:33,990 --> 00:01:31,410 let me see here where is my cauldron oh 12 00:01:36,779 --> 00:01:34,000 here it is just set a little fire and 13 00:01:39,809 --> 00:01:36,789 throw a little incense and some oil in 14 00:01:44,099 --> 00:01:39,819 there and maybe God knows one of our 15 00:01:46,020 --> 00:01:44,109 enemies and we'll be all set to take 16 00:01:48,450 --> 00:01:46,030 back the night that Sam you know I'm I'm 17 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:48,460 sitting here in a very chilly New York 18 00:01:53,789 --> 00:01:50,770 because spring is not sprung yet with a 19 00:01:56,789 --> 00:01:53,799 copy of the gypsy witch spell book in my 20 00:02:00,830 --> 00:01:56,799 hand which ritualistic secrets of 21 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:00,840 sorcery shamanism witchcraft magic and 22 00:02:06,239 --> 00:02:03,310 fortune-telling this is the book that 23 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:06,249 gives you all curious old Italian 24 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:08,709 secrets the magic virtues of garlic 25 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:11,290 calling up the spirits of Earth and air 26 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:16,480 and egg lore and egg proverbs and a cure 27 00:02:21,780 --> 00:02:19,750 to protect animals but gosh I I guess 28 00:02:25,979 --> 00:02:21,790 this would be great if we we lived on a 29 00:02:29,059 --> 00:02:25,989 farm to him what'd you say well a lot of 30 00:02:32,490 --> 00:02:29,069 that stuff you know was a very popular 31 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:32,500 here in the central part of the United 32 00:02:38,250 --> 00:02:34,690 States especially in the 19th and early 33 00:02:40,949 --> 00:02:38,260 20th century it was called powwow magic 34 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:40,959 yeah and in hexing right right right 35 00:02:48,899 --> 00:02:43,690 yeah yeah in fact you have a hex sign on 36 00:02:52,860 --> 00:02:48,909 your house no but you know 37 00:02:55,530 --> 00:02:52,870 we do have a little probably maybe about 38 00:03:00,179 --> 00:02:55,540 30 miles away from where we live you 39 00:03:02,129 --> 00:03:00,189 know a several Amish communities and and 40 00:03:04,860 --> 00:03:02,139 they they you know I mean they have them 41 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:04,870 painted on their barns even though I 42 00:03:10,140 --> 00:03:07,030 mean I don't think that they paint them 43 00:03:14,339 --> 00:03:10,150 for that reason I think they just you 44 00:03:15,449 --> 00:03:14,349 know paint it because it looks nice but 45 00:03:17,220 --> 00:03:15,459 I mean you know that's what they 46 00:03:20,369 --> 00:03:17,230 originated from I mean they they were 47 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:20,379 heck signs to you know help the crops 48 00:03:26,789 --> 00:03:22,870 and you know stop the evil whatever is 49 00:03:29,309 --> 00:03:26,799 from arming their livestock in fact I 50 00:03:34,349 --> 00:03:29,319 believe this book we added a section on 51 00:03:41,069 --> 00:03:34,359 the black point which is a how to turn 52 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:41,079 your hens eggs into gold possibly it's 53 00:03:48,179 --> 00:03:46,510 been a while since from your books you 54 00:03:50,429 --> 00:03:48,189 don't need to do that anymore right well 55 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:50,439 I was I was just thinking though the the 56 00:03:56,069 --> 00:03:54,489 black poet though was a like a pamphlet 57 00:03:58,319 --> 00:03:56,079 that gosh I mean I think it was 58 00:04:00,659 --> 00:03:58,329 originally written like in the 18th 59 00:04:03,929 --> 00:04:00,669 century yeah yeah well so was this a 60 00:04:06,809 --> 00:04:03,939 gypsy witch spell book was done I don't 61 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:06,819 know what 1930 in 1940 and we added the 62 00:04:11,429 --> 00:04:08,889 black pull it to it because people had 63 00:04:13,349 --> 00:04:11,439 actually requested it oh yeah yeah well 64 00:04:15,449 --> 00:04:13,359 I mean you know it it contained all 65 00:04:17,610 --> 00:04:15,459 kinds of hex signs and you know how to 66 00:04:20,009 --> 00:04:17,620 you know how to draw them and their 67 00:04:22,290 --> 00:04:20,019 proper use of things like that so so 68 00:04:25,649 --> 00:04:22,300 yeah I mean they're there's a long 69 00:04:26,670 --> 00:04:25,659 history of that well we don't have to do 70 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:26,680 that tonight 71 00:04:32,129 --> 00:04:28,810 we don't have to go out to Amos country 72 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:32,139 because we've got two fascinating guests 73 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:34,930 on and one of them is over there and the 74 00:04:39,870 --> 00:04:37,330 UK are our old their friend have been a 75 00:04:43,550 --> 00:04:39,880 porter and he's going to tell us all 76 00:04:47,850 --> 00:04:43,560 about the the last witch that was 77 00:04:50,909 --> 00:04:47,860 prosecuted and persecuted and in the UK 78 00:04:53,969 --> 00:04:50,919 I mean you think that witchcraft went 79 00:04:58,709 --> 00:04:53,979 out with the Salem witch trials but nay 80 00:05:01,709 --> 00:04:58,719 not not true Tim yeah it's a very 81 00:05:02,510 --> 00:05:01,719 interesting case and also with us 82 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:02,520 tonight by the 83 00:05:12,559 --> 00:05:07,770 is Jack kena and he's a member of the 84 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:12,569 paranormal team spirits SPI are i TS of 85 00:05:18,650 --> 00:05:15,930 New England San Diego ghost hunters and 86 00:05:21,350 --> 00:05:18,660 extreme paranormal encounters response 87 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:21,360 team well we've got a doozy of a show 88 00:05:25,820 --> 00:05:23,250 why don't you get to give the listeners 89 00:05:27,140 --> 00:05:25,830 a little bit of background on Ben if 90 00:05:31,550 --> 00:05:27,150 they haven't heard him on our show 91 00:05:34,370 --> 00:05:31,560 before he's a one of the top conspiracy 92 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:34,380 researchers and ufologists than in 93 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:38,330 England and he's got a really great 94 00:05:44,659 --> 00:05:42,449 YouTube channel if he hasn't been taken 95 00:05:49,730 --> 00:05:44,669 off the air no I don't think he's been 96 00:05:51,710 --> 00:05:49,740 taken off here just yet but knowing 97 00:05:52,249 --> 00:05:51,720 YouTube these days that all that'll come 98 00:05:57,469 --> 00:05:52,259 next 99 00:06:00,260 --> 00:05:57,479 yeah well boy that's true let's I'm sure 100 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:00,270 that our video producer Peter would have 101 00:06:07,580 --> 00:06:05,330 you think about well they demonetised me 102 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:07,590 after the first show they're gonna make 103 00:06:13,459 --> 00:06:11,280 sure that I don't make a dime on this 104 00:06:16,629 --> 00:06:13,469 but we don't we don't do it for the love 105 00:06:19,310 --> 00:06:16,639 of money we do it for the love of the 106 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:19,320 normal that's right them love the 107 00:06:24,230 --> 00:06:21,570 subject well and now I think this is 108 00:06:28,459 --> 00:06:24,240 probably Ben's gosh maybe a fourth or 109 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:28,469 fifth visit to exploring the bizarre we 110 00:06:34,309 --> 00:06:30,360 keep obviously we keep him locked up in 111 00:06:38,089 --> 00:06:34,319 the asylum but we keep him locked up in 112 00:06:41,029 --> 00:06:38,099 the closet over here and you know we 113 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:41,039 once in a while we unlock the rusty old 114 00:06:48,409 --> 00:06:44,490 that door and let him out it into the K 115 00:06:52,430 --> 00:06:48,419 cor living room area and we sit around 116 00:06:56,300 --> 00:06:52,440 and and chat up a storm and hustle up 117 00:07:01,450 --> 00:06:56,310 some ghosts and goblins and Bigfoot and 118 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:01,460 and the UFOs that go bump in the night 119 00:07:08,089 --> 00:07:05,849 well I should mention that Bette Jones 120 00:07:10,159 --> 00:07:08,099 is a researcher blogger and filmmaker on 121 00:07:15,469 --> 00:07:10,169 controversial subjects and his blog 122 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:15,479 website is HP a NWO which stands for a 123 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:16,110 hospital 124 00:07:20,270 --> 00:07:17,850 Porter's against the new world order 125 00:07:21,950 --> 00:07:20,280 that sounds like hail it sounds almost 126 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:21,960 like a Doctor Who episode they're you 127 00:07:24,290 --> 00:07:22,680 know welcome 128 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:24,300 you know you know what we found out 129 00:07:29,150 --> 00:07:27,810 early on in case people here on this 130 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:29,160 side of the pond don't know what a 131 00:07:36,850 --> 00:07:31,650 porter is it would be similar to an 132 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:36,860 orderly and and and Ben has started a 133 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:40,680 UFO group made up of Porter's but I 134 00:07:44,780 --> 00:07:43,290 think last time we talked to him he had 135 00:07:45,910 --> 00:07:44,790 two members did you ever get any more 136 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:45,920 members there Ben 137 00:07:51,140 --> 00:07:48,810 unfortunately not yet sorry too heavy 138 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:51,150 not I'm still working on it you know I 139 00:07:56,150 --> 00:07:54,150 mean I accept him pop applicants anyone 140 00:07:58,610 --> 00:07:56,160 wants to Joey you know I make I make 141 00:08:01,430 --> 00:07:58,620 frequent visits to the hospital here in 142 00:08:05,510 --> 00:08:01,440 fact I was over at NYU today maybe I'll 143 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:05,520 try to scurry up a couple of members on 144 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:10,020 on this side of the Atlantic and we can 145 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:13,290 all have a very good show two together I 146 00:08:17,750 --> 00:08:15,450 mean I that would be that would be fun I 147 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:17,760 I know that there have been a numerous 148 00:08:22,070 --> 00:08:20,250 UFO sightings over the years over over 149 00:08:24,860 --> 00:08:22,080 hospitals I guess you must have 150 00:08:27,140 --> 00:08:24,870 collected some of those well I have 151 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:27,150 heard of a few yeah it's for hospitals 152 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:29,520 it's ghosts and things like that I'm 153 00:08:33,770 --> 00:08:32,250 more common in hospitals I mean I think 154 00:08:35,630 --> 00:08:33,780 more sightings there than anywhere 155 00:08:38,030 --> 00:08:35,640 actually and there's a chap called 156 00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:38,040 dr. Mitchell Gibson who's in your city 157 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:41,910 actually New York I missed him walking 158 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:44,850 down the street you may want her to him 159 00:08:50,630 --> 00:08:47,570 he's he's a doctor and he was very often 160 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:50,640 he often reported seeing strange things 161 00:08:56,660 --> 00:08:55,290 like for example he would be doing he 162 00:08:58,850 --> 00:08:56,670 would be doing resuscitation on a 163 00:09:00,110 --> 00:08:58,860 patient in the in association area and 164 00:09:02,210 --> 00:09:00,120 then the patient wouldn't make it he'd 165 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:02,220 walk out into the corridor and he'd see 166 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:04,800 the guy there he - you know the person 167 00:09:08,420 --> 00:09:06,510 who sort of he was actually working on 168 00:09:10,850 --> 00:09:08,430 so where he actually this is the spirit 169 00:09:12,830 --> 00:09:10,860 of the person who just departed she's 170 00:09:13,460 --> 00:09:12,840 very well that way he would make an 171 00:09:17,060 --> 00:09:13,470 excellent 172 00:09:18,830 --> 00:09:17,070 I guess the he were still working in the 173 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:18,840 in the hospital and even if he's not 174 00:09:25,430 --> 00:09:21,930 well I do remember one case up in the 175 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:25,440 Canada where a couple of nurses were 176 00:09:30,050 --> 00:09:28,170 standing by the window and and they saw 177 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:30,060 this a dome shape 178 00:09:35,930 --> 00:09:34,290 object with a couple of lit up portholes 179 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:35,940 that come right along side the the 180 00:09:43,580 --> 00:09:38,850 window and I guess they close the 181 00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:43,590 curtain a real real fascist I suppose 182 00:09:49,550 --> 00:09:46,320 but yeah you know what I wanted to get 183 00:09:52,190 --> 00:09:49,560 into tonight we started off with the 184 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:52,200 singing or I did our singing and I use 185 00:09:58,580 --> 00:09:55,050 that in quotes a couple of lives there 186 00:10:01,070 --> 00:09:58,590 from wicked witchcraft and there been a 187 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:01,080 lot of mutant a lot of music get devoted 188 00:10:06,230 --> 00:10:05,010 to it to magic and Howlin wolf and I 189 00:10:09,530 --> 00:10:06,240 mean you know some of these are the 190 00:10:11,900 --> 00:10:09,540 Louis Prima and Keely spell I mean yeah 191 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:11,910 you I'm sure you can name a few of your 192 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:14,580 favorite songs that revolve around the 193 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:18,240 witchcraft theme but what we wanted to 194 00:10:28,180 --> 00:10:22,050 get into I know you've just done a video 195 00:10:32,390 --> 00:10:28,190 of a presentation on this very 196 00:10:39,350 --> 00:10:32,400 controversial lady Helen Duncan who was 197 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:39,360 a spirit medium in 1944 in the in Great 198 00:10:44,330 --> 00:10:41,850 Britain and she was actually convicted 199 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:44,340 and sent to prison under the witchcraft 200 00:10:52,850 --> 00:10:49,710 act of 1735 yeah tell us tell us a 201 00:10:55,730 --> 00:10:52,860 little bit about Helen how did she get 202 00:10:57,830 --> 00:10:55,740 into how did she step into a pile of 203 00:10:59,840 --> 00:10:57,840 [\h__\h] so to speak I mean that that seems 204 00:11:03,770 --> 00:10:59,850 awful drastic I mean witches haven't 205 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:03,780 been you know burnt at the stake or 206 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:05,250 actually haunted here in the United 207 00:11:09,170 --> 00:11:06,930 States people think that there which is 208 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:09,180 where Berta the Satan Salem but now 209 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:11,970 they're we're actually hunt several of 210 00:11:18,290 --> 00:11:14,760 them I believe how did she get all 211 00:11:20,090 --> 00:11:18,300 wrapped up into this well it's it is bus 212 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:20,100 beam is confusing for her it was for 213 00:11:23,270 --> 00:11:21,330 everyone else because this is a 214 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:23,280 situation that combines the paranormal 215 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:25,650 with conspiracies and government 216 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:28,290 cover-ups so it was with great interest 217 00:11:32,750 --> 00:11:29,850 to me because it's these are two of my 218 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:32,760 very pet interest so to speak it was 219 00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:34,290 also it was a terrible injustice that 220 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:37,140 was done you know and that's something I 221 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:38,970 always like to fight back against 222 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:40,050 whenever I hear something like that 223 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:42,330 happening but Helen Duncan was she's 224 00:11:46,310 --> 00:11:43,860 born in 1890 225 00:11:49,639 --> 00:11:46,320 seven in calendar which is in Scotland 226 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:49,649 Hampton from a very young age it was 227 00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:52,649 clear she had some kind of supernatural 228 00:11:56,210 --> 00:11:54,480 ability she could she used to go to 229 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:56,220 trance in the middle of school as she's 230 00:12:01,519 --> 00:11:57,930 to yell out portents of doom and things 231 00:12:04,930 --> 00:12:01,529 and I was terrified her classmates would 232 00:12:07,730 --> 00:12:04,940 we would we would we classify her as a 233 00:12:10,310 --> 00:12:07,740 physical medium or a trance medium or a 234 00:12:12,050 --> 00:12:10,320 channeler oh she was a manifestation 235 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:12,060 medium I mean she this is something to 236 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:13,290 develop through the course of her life 237 00:12:19,759 --> 00:12:16,110 but she was definitely she went through 238 00:12:21,410 --> 00:12:19,769 several different phases it seems but 239 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:21,420 something she wasn't I mean in those 240 00:12:24,590 --> 00:12:23,250 days she was luckily she lived a couple 241 00:12:26,180 --> 00:12:24,600 of hundred years earlier she'd end up 242 00:12:28,460 --> 00:12:26,190 like the Salem witches she's been 243 00:12:30,110 --> 00:12:28,470 hanging strung up in a tree or something 244 00:12:31,850 --> 00:12:30,120 you know but luckily she lived at a time 245 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:31,860 where well the worse she got was a few 246 00:12:37,690 --> 00:12:34,890 strange looks but she was known as 247 00:12:41,210 --> 00:12:37,700 hellish now that was her nickname and 248 00:12:42,740 --> 00:12:41,220 she she made a living out of her 249 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:42,750 mediumship when she was old enough when 250 00:12:46,340 --> 00:12:44,310 she she got married she had some 251 00:12:47,569 --> 00:12:46,350 children and then she was in very poor 252 00:12:50,810 --> 00:12:47,579 health her and her husband were both 253 00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:50,820 quite ill so she took to performing on 254 00:12:55,939 --> 00:12:53,040 stage in various places and she very 255 00:12:57,410 --> 00:12:55,949 quickly became very famous and that's 256 00:13:00,829 --> 00:12:57,420 what she did she but from Spiritist 257 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:00,839 churches and to various seances as 258 00:13:06,769 --> 00:13:03,890 mediums do today she traveled around and 259 00:13:08,689 --> 00:13:06,779 performed and them became very 260 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:08,699 successful and what you know it's 261 00:13:14,540 --> 00:13:12,810 virtual spiritualism is much bigger in 262 00:13:17,750 --> 00:13:14,550 your side of the the world that it is 263 00:13:21,079 --> 00:13:17,760 here we subscribe and advertise to the 264 00:13:21,740 --> 00:13:21,089 psychic news and in the back of the 265 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:21,750 magazine 266 00:13:26,660 --> 00:13:23,610 every month they publish a list of all 267 00:13:29,630 --> 00:13:26,670 the spiritualist churches and some of 268 00:13:31,579 --> 00:13:29,640 them seem to be very active and we don't 269 00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:31,589 have much of that here anymore we do 270 00:13:38,210 --> 00:13:34,800 have a couple of spiritualist camps like 271 00:13:39,530 --> 00:13:38,220 camp Chesterfield and oh this is another 272 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:39,540 one there what's the one out to a 273 00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:44,970 temporary Lully Duke so is camp 274 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:46,320 Chesterfield still going that's our 275 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:48,800 corner yeah yeah yeah and we have down 276 00:13:53,180 --> 00:13:51,570 Cassadaga down in Florida where if you 277 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:53,190 want to go if you want to go to sweat 278 00:14:01,260 --> 00:13:56,770 you go down to the 279 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:01,270 Andrew Jackson a building which is where 280 00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:04,570 they still have their services on the 281 00:14:10,740 --> 00:14:07,030 weekend and there's no air conditioning 282 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:10,750 and there's the old pews in there and I 283 00:14:14,670 --> 00:14:12,820 think maybe one or two fans and hum away 284 00:14:17,810 --> 00:14:14,680 now this is quite a few years ago maybe 285 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:17,820 it could have even been you know 286 00:14:22,890 --> 00:14:20,320 modernized there since then but I 287 00:14:25,770 --> 00:14:22,900 remember it be it's like in the swampy 288 00:14:28,740 --> 00:14:25,780 area I mean it's like very rural and 289 00:14:31,050 --> 00:14:28,750 very kind of difficult to get to unless 290 00:14:33,540 --> 00:14:31,060 you know where you're we're going but 291 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:33,550 it's a it's a challenge and and and 292 00:14:39,090 --> 00:14:36,190 certainly worth the visiting I know I 293 00:14:42,810 --> 00:14:39,100 miss going there you can get some good 294 00:14:46,250 --> 00:14:42,820 readings from some really fantastic a 295 00:14:48,330 --> 00:14:46,260 spiritualist but okay so she Helen was a 296 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:48,340 manifesting a medium 297 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:51,370 did she manifest like ectoplasm and all 298 00:14:56,370 --> 00:14:54,370 yes she's so actually people who 299 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:56,380 described her and crossly for example 300 00:15:01,500 --> 00:14:58,450 who was her biographer described as the 301 00:15:04,190 --> 00:15:01,510 most powerful manifestation medium he'd 302 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:04,200 ever heard of I mean she's - she used to 303 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:06,610 create ectoplasm which used to turn to 304 00:15:12,270 --> 00:15:09,250 forms into recognizable forms including 305 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:12,280 people who would be taking on the 306 00:15:16,260 --> 00:15:13,870 appearance of living people I mean in 307 00:15:18,570 --> 00:15:16,270 dance this is a work very often happen 308 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:18,580 during these manifestations it wasn't it 309 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:20,250 wasn't cheesecloth 310 00:15:25,650 --> 00:15:23,710 no that's there was this that this whole 311 00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:25,660 cheesecloth thing goes to a study that 312 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:28,240 was done on Helen in 1930 by Harry price 313 00:15:30,510 --> 00:15:29,710 and London and though he has this 314 00:15:34,170 --> 00:15:30,520 alliance 315 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:34,180 yet it's this sir there was this was 316 00:15:39,060 --> 00:15:36,850 basically fake the whole was study was 317 00:15:40,530 --> 00:15:39,070 fake the reason it was fake is because 318 00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:40,540 there was a lot it was basically a huge 319 00:15:45,750 --> 00:15:44,440 argument broke up between between the 320 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:45,760 London's purchased alliance which is 321 00:15:49,620 --> 00:15:47,020 today called the College of psychic 322 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:49,630 studies in London and Harry price who 323 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:52,930 was this lone maverick Helen was she was 324 00:15:56,820 --> 00:15:55,330 wet decided to subject herself to 325 00:15:59,250 --> 00:15:56,830 scientific tests but she signed an 326 00:16:01,260 --> 00:15:59,260 exclusivity contract with the LSA which 327 00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:01,270 she broke because Harry price approached 328 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:02,560 her privately and asked her to do 329 00:16:09,270 --> 00:16:06,510 sittings for him and there's a massive 330 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:09,280 trouble as a massive a ruckus between 331 00:16:11,970 --> 00:16:10,089 various 332 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:11,980 people Helen was caught in the middle so 333 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:14,529 basically they decided they both both 334 00:16:18,119 --> 00:16:16,569 decided to publish but they they were in 335 00:16:19,949 --> 00:16:18,129 a kind of a rush to publish as quickly 336 00:16:22,170 --> 00:16:19,959 as possible now the whole idea of the 337 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:22,180 cheesecloth thing that this is um this 338 00:16:26,129 --> 00:16:23,649 is quite ludicrous when you think about 339 00:16:27,989 --> 00:16:26,139 it that Helen Duncan was actually 340 00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:27,999 swallowing cheesecloth which is a 341 00:16:33,119 --> 00:16:31,839 textile and price claims she managed to 342 00:16:39,059 --> 00:16:33,129 swallow a piece of cheesecloth it was 343 00:16:41,540 --> 00:16:39,069 six feet square which in every good 344 00:16:44,009 --> 00:16:41,550 tasting unless she threw it she threw up 345 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:44,019 without using your hands and managed to 346 00:16:47,009 --> 00:16:45,670 create these because she was tied to a 347 00:16:49,739 --> 00:16:47,019 chair she was actually strapped down to 348 00:16:53,129 --> 00:16:49,749 a chair with a tight race firmly by her 349 00:16:55,499 --> 00:16:53,139 ankles and wrists or chair and then to 350 00:16:58,679 --> 00:16:55,509 actually create these strange shapes in 351 00:17:00,660 --> 00:16:58,689 the air which some people described as 352 00:17:02,340 --> 00:17:00,670 people they knew they recognized them 353 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:02,350 and one lady said oh it was my mother 354 00:17:08,399 --> 00:17:03,970 who noticed I recognized the mole on her 355 00:17:11,069 --> 00:17:08,409 nose so I mean the price claims to have 356 00:17:12,899 --> 00:17:11,079 actually collected a sample of this but 357 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:12,909 I mean I wonder why he didn't get a 358 00:17:15,689 --> 00:17:14,049 bigger bit that's something you know I 359 00:17:17,460 --> 00:17:15,699 wonder what people didn't cash her out 360 00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:17,470 before it's it's all a bit it was all a 361 00:17:20,939 --> 00:17:19,689 bit bizarre but that's just all nonsense 362 00:17:23,370 --> 00:17:20,949 I mean there's Allen Golding of the 363 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:23,380 Magic Circle actually looked into this 364 00:17:27,779 --> 00:17:25,569 and at the time when Helen was in Duncan 365 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:27,789 Helen Duncan was in London in 1930 and 366 00:17:33,690 --> 00:17:29,890 he published his own report on this and 367 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:33,700 said how ridiculous it was we we have we 368 00:17:40,139 --> 00:17:37,570 had over here back in the 1850s and 60s 369 00:17:43,380 --> 00:17:40,149 the Davenport brothers in fact I 370 00:17:47,970 --> 00:17:43,390 recently added a up a book on their 371 00:17:50,549 --> 00:17:47,980 career called the dark seance and they 372 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:50,559 were they were actually the you know 373 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:53,049 they were in a spiritualist the cabinet 374 00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:54,250 the door was locked their hands were 375 00:17:58,649 --> 00:17:56,799 tied and all these musical instruments 376 00:18:02,760 --> 00:17:58,659 would flow down to the top of the 377 00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:02,770 cabinet and kind of float or teleport 378 00:18:07,230 --> 00:18:05,200 around the room and music would be 379 00:18:12,389 --> 00:18:07,240 played and then when the doors were open 380 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:12,399 the tambourine and the a trumpet and 381 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:14,289 whatever else would come crashing back 382 00:18:21,389 --> 00:18:18,190 into the into the the box where they 383 00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:21,399 were located but they they were totally 384 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:22,840 you know they were driven out of town 385 00:18:27,020 --> 00:18:23,730 they were 386 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:27,030 nup a couple of times they had a run for 387 00:18:32,830 --> 00:18:29,730 their lives and we understand that one 388 00:18:35,780 --> 00:18:32,840 woman was shown so shocked at their 389 00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:35,790 performance that she actually fell out 390 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:41,520 of the balcony in a hall in Philadelphia 391 00:18:47,900 --> 00:18:45,840 and was badly badly seriously hurt so 392 00:18:50,510 --> 00:18:47,910 there have been some and I use this 393 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:50,520 perhaps in quotes great mediums over the 394 00:18:55,870 --> 00:18:53,370 years and they have been controversial 395 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:55,880 figures I kind of always liked them 396 00:19:01,280 --> 00:18:58,770 studying and studying them and reading 397 00:19:04,580 --> 00:19:01,290 up on them then they kind of remind me 398 00:19:07,010 --> 00:19:04,590 of the UFO contactees in the 1950s and 399 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:07,020 and some of the phenomena as I'm sure 400 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:09,870 you will agree is quite similar yeah 401 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:11,970 unless there's a bit of overlap actually 402 00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:14,610 because people who have 80 contacts 403 00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:17,160 often you do exhibit kind of these 404 00:19:20,660 --> 00:19:18,630 abilities the abilities which you might 405 00:19:22,460 --> 00:19:20,670 call media mystic powers there's so 406 00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:22,470 there's a lot of connection there I 407 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:26,160 think but how did she okay how did she 408 00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:30,450 become the most one at witch in the UK I 409 00:19:33,950 --> 00:19:31,740 mean what was that all about 410 00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:33,960 oh basically it all everything went 411 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:37,220 wrong when world war ii began in 1939 412 00:19:42,410 --> 00:19:40,110 there was obviously have everything 413 00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:42,420 changed then because there's a lot of 414 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:44,220 uncertainty and lot of fear in the 415 00:19:48,380 --> 00:19:46,650 country oh we look back at the world war 416 00:19:49,610 --> 00:19:48,390 2 we see as a historical event it's 417 00:19:51,950 --> 00:19:49,620 almost like a story we know how it 418 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:51,960 begins we know how it ends but to be in 419 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:53,490 the middle of it and not know what was 420 00:19:55,340 --> 00:19:54,090 going to happen 421 00:19:57,050 --> 00:19:55,350 must have been very very different 422 00:19:58,580 --> 00:19:57,060 especially early on in the war when we 423 00:20:02,180 --> 00:19:58,590 were suffering the Blitz 424 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:02,190 so Germany was actually bombing the the 425 00:20:05,660 --> 00:20:03,810 country actually bombing the cities and 426 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:05,670 we had to go down to shelters at night 427 00:20:11,150 --> 00:20:08,310 and things like that and we had then we 428 00:20:14,060 --> 00:20:11,160 had the possibility invasion we had we 429 00:20:15,260 --> 00:20:14,070 lost 300,000 troops not as many seeing 430 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:15,270 the great war batu there's a large 431 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:17,250 number of people who were killed we have 432 00:20:24,620 --> 00:20:20,100 people 60,000 killed in the Blitz and so 433 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:24,630 Helen was so Helen became hot property 434 00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:25,410 in a sense 435 00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:28,590 and now I'll what's happening is this it 436 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:30,960 all got tied up in a situation - with 437 00:20:35,090 --> 00:20:33,690 espionage because the number of Secrets 438 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:35,100 the the government wanted to keep a 439 00:20:38,780 --> 00:20:37,530 number of Secrets because of the war 440 00:20:41,540 --> 00:20:38,790 which always happens of course in 441 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:41,550 warfare and they were worried that Helen 442 00:20:46,820 --> 00:20:44,370 Duncan might be able to actually give 443 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:46,830 these secrets out to the to people and 444 00:20:50,330 --> 00:20:49,290 inevitably to the enemy through the 445 00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:50,340 testimonies the dead 446 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:52,440 you always hear this if you ever watch a 447 00:20:56,750 --> 00:20:54,330 spy novel or read a spy novel or watch a 448 00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:56,760 spy movie you've heard the phrase and we 449 00:21:01,310 --> 00:20:58,890 had to kill him because he knew too much 450 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:01,320 but what you do when you can't silence 451 00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:06,210 someone even by killing them well that 452 00:21:11,030 --> 00:21:08,580 sounds very that sounds very similar to 453 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:11,040 some of the mysterious deaths that are 454 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:13,890 going on in the UK right now well it's 455 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:16,530 these things to don't change I mean you 456 00:21:20,690 --> 00:21:18,690 know the political situation comes and 457 00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:20,700 goes but the same methods often appear 458 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:23,520 and I mean Helen this earth it's a long 459 00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:24,810 story and I know we're coming up to the 460 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:28,200 break but Helen Duncan basically was 461 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:30,780 carrying out medium ships demonstrations 462 00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:32,130 all adapt up and down the country I 463 00:21:37,340 --> 00:21:33,480 don't you ever went abroad but she was 464 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,350 world famous and there were several 465 00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:38,880 occasions like when some ships something 466 00:21:44,090 --> 00:21:40,860 although there's a ship called HMS hood 467 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:44,100 went down and I got basically the 468 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:45,570 intelligence services watching her the 469 00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:47,130 guy called Brigadier Roy fire brace 470 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:49,020 who's head of Army Intelligence was 471 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:51,000 actually in the audience at a time when 472 00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:53,730 a sailor appeared in active plasmon is 473 00:21:59,780 --> 00:21:57,360 that square-rigged and he said they see 474 00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:59,790 the the ship HMS hood has gone down this 475 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:01,620 is an admiral class battle cruiser sunk 476 00:22:07,340 --> 00:22:04,610 off the scapa flow in the North Sea and 477 00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:07,350 basically and brilliant fire brace was 478 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:08,760 astonished if he went back to his office 479 00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:11,910 he phoned up from the Admiralty says 480 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:13,080 what's going on have you lost the ship 481 00:22:15,620 --> 00:22:14,010 and I said no sir 482 00:22:17,660 --> 00:22:15,630 no but in later on they called him back 483 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:17,670 and said oh yes we have HMS hood went 484 00:22:24,590 --> 00:22:20,910 down had Page who went down off scapa 485 00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,600 flow yesterday and so he said well and 486 00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:26,400 there he managed to find out exactly 487 00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:27,510 when it happened it was just before 488 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:30,600 Helen seance so this is this is really 489 00:22:37,180 --> 00:22:33,690 really worrying so now did they think 490 00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:37,190 that she was in collusion with the Nazis 491 00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:39,480 not knowingly no I mean it wasn't her 492 00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:43,200 fault and I realized that but why why 493 00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:46,020 would they have come after her and had 494 00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,740 taken her to a - to court and tried to 495 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:51,360 throw her into prison 496 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:54,150 because she had this knowledge DJ that's 497 00:22:58,039 --> 00:22:56,130 the reason what happened was in this all 498 00:23:00,110 --> 00:22:58,049 but this all kicked off in 1944 no cuz 499 00:23:01,910 --> 00:23:00,120 she did this this dangerous hood went 500 00:23:03,740 --> 00:23:01,920 down in 1941 there's another event in 501 00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:03,750 October where another battleship HMS 502 00:23:08,539 --> 00:23:07,620 Barham went down so and they had both on 503 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:08,549 both occasions 504 00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:12,390 Helen Duncan managed to inform people 505 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:14,340 and in the case of Asians bar on the 506 00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:15,809 government actively tried to suppress 507 00:23:18,740 --> 00:23:17,340 information from the public because they 508 00:23:20,419 --> 00:23:18,750 were worried about morale they didn't 509 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:20,429 want to tell people because of the 510 00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,470 effects it might have on them so but she 511 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:24,480 then her guy came forward and said I 512 00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,730 have or her officers and men here newly 513 00:23:29,030 --> 00:23:28,080 arrived in the spirit world they drowned 514 00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,040 on board the ship in the Mediterranean 515 00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:31,440 when if she went down and so this was 516 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:33,150 really worrying because if our side were 517 00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:34,410 watching them you could bet the enemy 518 00:23:39,380 --> 00:23:37,380 was - I would guess I would guess 519 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:39,390 alright we're gonna have to hold it 520 00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,490 right there fellas because we are going 521 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:43,919 to our bottom of the our break so we 522 00:23:55,690 --> 00:23:46,770 like that exploring the bazaar so did 523 00:24:02,420 --> 00:23:59,840 now back to exploring the bazaar with 524 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:02,430 two of the most electrifying researchers 525 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:05,730 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 526 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:06,210 Lee 527 00:24:13,870 --> 00:24:11,460 Antonis was now right welcome back to 528 00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:13,880 exploring the bazaar I'm Tim Schwarz and 529 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:19,470 we will return to Ben and his story 530 00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,650 about the medium Helen Duncan in just a 531 00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:24,720 bit but now we want to bring Jack cannon 532 00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:29,310 into the conversation and Jack we were 533 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:33,030 talking about Helen Duncan and and 534 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:37,290 really she was almost at the the tail 535 00:24:44,260 --> 00:24:41,610 end of the whole spiritualist medium 536 00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:44,270 being able to actually produce 537 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:46,590 operations you know in the seance room 538 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:49,290 and things like that and and now here we 539 00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:53,250 are in the 21st century and we have 540 00:25:00,050 --> 00:24:56,700 available to us just all kinds of just 541 00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:00,060 fantastic and technology and things are 542 00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:03,480 really quite a bit different compared to 543 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,390 how they used to do it aren't they yeah 544 00:25:10,220 --> 00:25:08,520 it really is I mean even with you I mean 545 00:25:12,860 --> 00:25:10,230 you know you're talking about spiritual 546 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:12,870 mediums and psychics mediums stuff like 547 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:14,910 that which we've branched farther than 548 00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:17,610 that actually now with the scientific 549 00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:19,830 and of things and and what we now call 550 00:25:25,550 --> 00:25:22,020 paranormal investigators who some are 551 00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:25,560 psychic mediums or just psychics you 552 00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:28,140 know and and so yeah it's gone a really 553 00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:31,470 kind of different direction but it's 554 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:35,520 still at its base is the psychic mediums 555 00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:37,530 right we don't really think about that 556 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:39,900 we don't some of us not myself but there 557 00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:41,370 I know some people don't like to think 558 00:25:45,740 --> 00:25:44,280 about that they're just total tech 559 00:25:47,150 --> 00:25:45,750 people and that's okay and there's 560 00:25:48,530 --> 00:25:47,160 nothing wrong with that you know and 561 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:48,540 they just know you don't want to look at 562 00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:51,210 at that end but I've with what I do and 563 00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:54,630 you know really focusing on helping 564 00:25:59,300 --> 00:25:56,190 people who are experiencing hauntings 565 00:26:02,660 --> 00:25:59,310 and stuff like that to me you can't look 566 00:26:03,860 --> 00:26:02,670 at the paranormal without realizing it's 567 00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:03,870 really about the spiritual 568 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:06,550 you know you're talking about a soul or 569 00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:08,110 you're talking about you know smokes 570 00:26:13,470 --> 00:26:11,740 passed on or or a demonic or something 571 00:26:15,870 --> 00:26:13,480 that's all spiritual stuff so no matter 572 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:15,880 what you're trying to prove or prove for 573 00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:17,410 yourself or trying to capture evidence 574 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:19,750 of the the afterlife or whatever with 575 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:22,570 the equipment we're using you still have 576 00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:24,550 to consider what you're really going 577 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:27,940 after here right so you know well yeah I 578 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:32,260 mean I I know we work with me and I do 579 00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:34,810 have some abilities myself and and you 580 00:26:39,090 --> 00:26:36,820 work with that to try to figure out 581 00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:39,100 what's going on and and deal with it 582 00:26:44,340 --> 00:26:41,140 well I was just going to say that you 583 00:26:46,140 --> 00:26:44,350 know I I mean I know a lot of the ghost 584 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:46,150 hunters and I really hate using that 585 00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:52,120 term but you know paranormal it's kind 586 00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:53,350 of its kind of become you know 587 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:55,540 synonymous though with it so it's like 588 00:27:00,030 --> 00:26:57,610 you know Kleenex and band-aids you know 589 00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:00,040 and that's become the name almost but 590 00:27:05,850 --> 00:27:03,190 it's there are a lot of like you said I 591 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:05,860 mean they are concentrating almost 592 00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:10,240 specifically on the tack and they they 593 00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:13,830 have a distrust almost of working with 594 00:27:18,450 --> 00:27:16,150 psychics or you know with somebody who 595 00:27:20,730 --> 00:27:18,460 can you know just go in and you know 596 00:27:22,290 --> 00:27:20,740 they don't require any technology they 597 00:27:24,930 --> 00:27:22,300 can just talk to the spirits on their 598 00:27:26,670 --> 00:27:24,940 own and a lot of them hate that well I 599 00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,680 don't know if they so much hate it as 600 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:28,480 they're just trying to separate from it 601 00:27:32,910 --> 00:27:30,850 but the funny thing is any of these guys 602 00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:32,920 you talk to that because I know many of 603 00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:34,660 them and they know me and they they know 604 00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:37,270 I use my spiritual end of things but 605 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:39,100 they will tell you I asked oh so well 606 00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:40,390 how do you figure out what's the best 607 00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,860 place you know to check out well you 608 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:43,120 know I had a really weird feeling in 609 00:27:47,070 --> 00:27:45,370 this area and this spot felt a lot 610 00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:47,080 different than this by said what do you 611 00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:49,740 think you're doing you know you're using 612 00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:53,230 here your abilities whether you know 613 00:27:57,270 --> 00:27:55,060 whether it's just your then they say 614 00:28:00,840 --> 00:27:57,280 psychic abilities but you're using your 615 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:00,850 senses to figure out where to best try 616 00:28:04,650 --> 00:28:01,570 to investigate 617 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:04,660 so you're still you know going to that 618 00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:06,850 side in order to try to find evidence 619 00:28:10,890 --> 00:28:09,070 and and capture whatever you're trying 620 00:28:13,050 --> 00:28:10,900 to capture to prove the existence of the 621 00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:13,060 afterlife and they don't like to think 622 00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,020 about that but you're still 623 00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:18,880 she can't get away from it because it's 624 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:20,380 a spiritual realm that we're trying to 625 00:28:24,690 --> 00:28:22,930 deal with here so you know that's a 626 00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:24,700 stickier equipment you know and and I do 627 00:28:28,050 --> 00:28:26,440 I use equipment and stuff I actually try 628 00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:28,060 to use less and less of it these days 629 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:31,840 but but I still use it because it can 630 00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:33,490 give you a lot of things to work off of 631 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:36,400 and and bounce better questions off of 632 00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:38,350 when you're investigating if you seem to 633 00:28:43,290 --> 00:28:40,870 be getting answers or responses or 634 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:43,300 things like that so I use I use the 635 00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:45,010 equipment a little bit differently than 636 00:28:54,020 --> 00:28:48,460 maybe some people do I use it kind of 637 00:29:05,940 --> 00:28:59,340 going through your biography there I see 638 00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:05,950 though that I mean this is your mother 639 00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:10,270 had I guess a number of experiences and 640 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:12,460 and and told you about him so I mean you 641 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:14,290 know you you've been involved in this 642 00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:16,570 for for quite a long time so it was 643 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:18,340 since I was a kid I mean you know I 644 00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:20,290 haven't been investigating since I was 645 00:29:23,850 --> 00:29:22,390 sure but I've always been involved my 646 00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:23,860 mother always told me about her 647 00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:25,660 experience seeing her father after he 648 00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:28,620 passed outside their door at their home 649 00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:31,000 which freaked her out I mean totally 650 00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:34,000 just freaked her out and but she was 651 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:35,980 there with her father father died of 652 00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:37,630 throat cancer and she was there with her 653 00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:38,950 mother taking care of him when it 654 00:29:44,370 --> 00:29:40,660 happened and it was not a pretty scene 655 00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:44,380 either um but so she you know she's very 656 00:29:48,750 --> 00:29:45,700 down-to-earth my mother was very 657 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:48,760 down-to-earth very spiritual person but 658 00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:50,950 not you know I mean you know Roman 659 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:52,780 Catholic and all that but she wasn't you 660 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:55,330 know like you know extreme Catholic or 661 00:29:58,590 --> 00:29:57,010 anything like that but but not an 662 00:30:00,210 --> 00:29:58,600 extreme churchgoer or anything like that 663 00:30:02,730 --> 00:30:00,220 but she we used to talk about a lot of 664 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:02,740 the spiritual stuff and her her own 665 00:30:06,330 --> 00:30:04,570 mother was that way talk about spiritual 666 00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:06,340 stuff you know and seeing different 667 00:30:09,870 --> 00:30:08,260 things so I think they're just actually 668 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:09,880 a very good psychic medium friend of 669 00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:12,010 mine told me she goes it runs in your 670 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:13,720 family on your mother's side that's why 671 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:16,510 you have it hung up okay cuz my mother 672 00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:17,890 used to predict stuff and she's like 673 00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:20,140 that predict predict but she'd say I 674 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:21,760 want you to be really careful going 675 00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:23,220 going out today because something 676 00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:25,630 something might happen or something's 677 00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:27,580 gonna happen sure enough I go out that 678 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:30,750 one day I have a car accident mmm 679 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:33,220 but it was a bit of a winner and went 680 00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:35,170 off the road but it's like damn mom how 681 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:37,150 do you know she goes I just knew it I 682 00:30:39,930 --> 00:30:38,530 knew something's gonna happen no it 683 00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:39,940 could tell I could sense it you know I 684 00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:42,100 was like yeah that that mother's sense I 685 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:45,670 guess right so you know I always have to 686 00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:47,530 laugh a little bit or get a little 687 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:49,270 chuckle when I hear you guys say oh it's 688 00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,530 oh it's all in the equipment you got to 689 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:52,000 use it go here's your trusted goodness 690 00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:54,610 like yeah yeah I know what you're doing 691 00:30:59,700 --> 00:30:56,220 though because I investigate with them 692 00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,710 what what what what manifestations okay 693 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:01,840 so you're using the the equipment in all 694 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:04,210 what is actually what has actually 695 00:31:10,260 --> 00:31:06,910 appeared to you well I mean I've just 696 00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:10,270 seen shadow figures standing three feet 697 00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:12,190 from me but I put the infrared camera up 698 00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:14,830 on it's not there no I can see that dark 699 00:31:18,390 --> 00:31:16,630 shadow figure that happened on one of 700 00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:18,400 the cases matter fact it's one of the 701 00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:20,590 cases that's that I talk about in my my 702 00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:23,320 one book and it was on haunted Case 703 00:31:30,390 --> 00:31:26,380 Files last year - season one in 704 00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:30,400 Springfield Mass this female like female 705 00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:32,350 shadow figures just standing at the edge 706 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:34,750 of a couch three feet from me and I 707 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:36,250 looking at it and it didn't frighten me 708 00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:38,770 I just don't react that way looking at 709 00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:41,500 it going what the heck and I put the 710 00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:45,720 camera over on it and I go son of a P 711 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:48,340 because it's not in the camera you know 712 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:49,930 it's not showing up on the infrared and 713 00:31:55,170 --> 00:31:52,420 then it fades away but I captured an EVP 714 00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:55,180 turned out saying at that same moment 715 00:31:58,650 --> 00:31:56,710 right after pretty much I said that 716 00:32:00,990 --> 00:31:58,660 saying didn't like me female voices 717 00:32:04,770 --> 00:32:01,000 didn't like me I thought I thought I 718 00:32:07,530 --> 00:32:04,780 think she thought I swore at her know is 719 00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:07,540 a shadow person there's a shadow person 720 00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:11,020 the same as a ghost I well I believe 721 00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:13,510 it's a manifestation of who's ever soul 722 00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:15,820 that is yes so I would say yeah it's a 723 00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:18,150 ghost I guess you would say 724 00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:20,860 to me to me I don't think of them as 725 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:24,190 like I usually say spirit or it's a soul 726 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:26,170 all right because it's it's it's a soul 727 00:32:30,090 --> 00:32:27,970 of an individual we're people right we 728 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:30,100 if you believe you have a soul if you 729 00:32:33,870 --> 00:32:32,050 believe in the afterlife that's what 730 00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:33,880 we're talking about right our soul who 731 00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:38,080 we are right well now some psychic 732 00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:42,220 researchers believe that some ghosts may 733 00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:43,060 be spirits 734 00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:46,030 and others are kind of an impression 735 00:32:56,010 --> 00:32:51,550 that's been left in the yeah that's what 736 00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:56,020 I call a yeah it's it's a I know what 737 00:33:01,320 --> 00:32:57,070 you're talking about there 738 00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:01,330 okay well according yeah yeah yeah yeah 739 00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,550 I can build up from different things 740 00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,200 that happen in that area and and 741 00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:07,860 whatever it's like a manifestation of 742 00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:10,300 just the energies that have built up in 743 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:12,190 that that home over the time or in the 744 00:33:16,140 --> 00:33:14,410 location over time and it kind of having 745 00:33:17,610 --> 00:33:16,150 a bit have you been the left platform 746 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:17,620 think of it as a thought-form 747 00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:20,170 okay have you been had any luck with 748 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:23,950 recording EVPs yeah yeah we've caught 749 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:25,930 quite a few in different many different 750 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:27,690 locations we've done a lot of cases so 751 00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:30,250 one of my favorite ones was on the USS 752 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:32,800 Constitution that we did for the Navy 753 00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:34,870 out in Charlestown mass you know Old 754 00:33:41,850 --> 00:33:37,270 Ironsides the old it's still an active 755 00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:41,860 Navy ship and we caught a voice of a 756 00:33:47,910 --> 00:33:45,160 young boy which in the 1817 1800s they 757 00:33:50,370 --> 00:33:47,920 had young boys on these ships and the 758 00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:50,380 the guys given us a tour because we had 759 00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:51,820 to have one of the people from the ship 760 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:53,800 with us each night so the postman's 761 00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,770 Bossman's mate was with us ii 90s 762 00:34:00,900 --> 00:33:58,960 talking about the what they called the 763 00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:00,910 manger area on that on this ship where 764 00:34:04,590 --> 00:34:02,470 they kept live animals you know cows 765 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:04,600 pigs chickens he's he talks about that 766 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:06,970 and then you hear this poised well this 767 00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:09,250 young boy's voice maybe teenage boy 768 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:12,190 whatever go and to bear hmm yeah you can 769 00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:13,210 hear it loud and clear and it's got a 770 00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:15,790 very strong New England accent to us and 771 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:18,909 a bear and when we presented that to the 772 00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:20,770 captain and crew they knew immediately 773 00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:23,260 what it was talking about and we're like 774 00:34:26,250 --> 00:34:24,550 what are you talking about we we think 775 00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:26,260 it says in a bear but we don't we didn't 776 00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:28,419 know the whole history goes Commodore 777 00:34:34,110 --> 00:34:30,550 scrappy the black bear cub they kept on 778 00:34:35,970 --> 00:34:34,120 the ship as a mascot in 1932 and if you 779 00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:35,980 go to the history on that ship you'll 780 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:37,419 see it and there's pictures of that bear 781 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:39,330 there and we're like what 782 00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:43,050 but the hist if you go if you look at 783 00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:45,669 any boys who died on the ship they all 784 00:34:49,950 --> 00:34:47,590 died in the 1800s it was finally five 785 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:49,960 died on the ship and they were all 786 00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:53,609 between the ages of 11 to 14 787 00:35:00,019 --> 00:34:56,220 and to felt that one fell from the mast 788 00:35:03,229 --> 00:35:00,029 to drowned to died a bilious fever right 789 00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:03,239 so one of those boys from the 1800's 790 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:06,660 somehow knew about a bear from 1932 so 791 00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:09,450 explain that one something right so it's 792 00:35:13,849 --> 00:35:11,339 it's really weird but it's loud and it's 793 00:35:14,539 --> 00:35:13,859 clear and we get a quite a few loud and 794 00:35:18,979 --> 00:35:14,549 clear 795 00:35:20,509 --> 00:35:18,989 EVPs I mean class-a not always but I've 796 00:35:22,549 --> 00:35:20,519 gotten quite a few over the years where 797 00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:22,559 people even one of saying bless you to 798 00:35:28,269 --> 00:35:25,710 me as I was sneezing it allocation yeah 799 00:35:32,539 --> 00:35:28,279 and that was it 800 00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:32,549 Oh up in Dedham Massachusetts Fairbanks 801 00:35:35,479 --> 00:35:34,440 house in Dedham Massachusetts oh you 802 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,489 guys we're talking about 803 00:35:39,769 --> 00:35:37,680 hex marks and stuff like that the house 804 00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:39,779 is full I got eggs marks all over 805 00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:41,400 everything on there for protection and 806 00:35:47,779 --> 00:35:43,619 and all that and that's a that's a home 807 00:35:50,420 --> 00:35:47,789 that was built in 1637 so one of the 808 00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:50,430 oldest wooden homes in the United States 809 00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:53,910 so interesting places around here but 810 00:35:58,489 --> 00:35:56,400 yeah so yeah we get a lot of EVPs a lot 811 00:36:01,970 --> 00:35:58,499 of different stuff it's just I find it 812 00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:01,980 fascinating you know the majority of 813 00:36:07,220 --> 00:36:05,220 those EVPs they you don't hear them 814 00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,230 while they're happening and you only 815 00:36:10,729 --> 00:36:09,119 discover them when you go back later 816 00:36:12,769 --> 00:36:10,739 right that's that's the definition of an 817 00:36:14,269 --> 00:36:12,779 EVP electronic voice phenomena you only 818 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:14,279 hear later on when you go back and 819 00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:16,410 listen to the recordings I have heard 820 00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:19,980 disembodied voices many times mm-hmm in 821 00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:22,950 fact one one one of the best ones I've 822 00:36:27,309 --> 00:36:24,630 heard in a long time was last year in 823 00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:27,319 the event at Buffalo Central Terminal 824 00:36:30,979 --> 00:36:29,670 where we've got a you know we're 825 00:36:33,259 --> 00:36:30,989 bringing a group around just 826 00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:33,269 investigating the place at night after 827 00:36:38,749 --> 00:36:36,839 the event and everybody's standing in a 828 00:36:42,049 --> 00:36:38,759 like a semicircle down in that what they 829 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:42,059 called the trolley area and they're 830 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,890 asking hey well you know well boy do you 831 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:45,119 want to play a game there's some 832 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:46,650 supposedly a little boy that's that's 833 00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,930 there boys spirit or whatever and I'm 834 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:50,400 walking around the outside of the circle 835 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:52,710 as if I said like doing duck-duck-goose 836 00:36:56,779 --> 00:36:55,170 or something and all sudden they asked 837 00:36:59,479 --> 00:36:56,789 that question you hear this loud and 838 00:37:02,599 --> 00:36:59,489 clear this this boy's voice saying yeah 839 00:37:03,950 --> 00:37:02,609 and I stopped dead in my tracks and 840 00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:03,960 everybody else is standing there and I 841 00:37:11,269 --> 00:37:07,140 get emails just hear that 842 00:37:15,739 --> 00:37:11,279 like the funny thing was 2/3 of the 843 00:37:18,259 --> 00:37:15,749 crowd heard it 1/3 didn't hmm so that I 844 00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:18,269 found that very interesting it's like so 845 00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:19,980 and we're all in the same area and it 846 00:37:24,859 --> 00:37:23,339 was loud and it was like so only 2/3 you 847 00:37:26,029 --> 00:37:24,869 because we talked to him he's like I 848 00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:26,039 didn't hear it 849 00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:29,160 2/3 of a certain third didn't so have 850 00:37:36,349 --> 00:37:32,420 you ever have you ever done any research 851 00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:36,359 in the stone chambers that dot New 852 00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:39,390 England no no I haven't you know we we 853 00:37:43,940 --> 00:37:41,910 don't do a lot of outside stuff or you 854 00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:43,950 know we do some historical locations 855 00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:46,440 those are places I'd like to go to yeah 856 00:37:52,999 --> 00:37:50,190 you know why is that is because we've 857 00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,009 heard on several occasions that people 858 00:37:58,849 --> 00:37:55,920 who has spent the night in the inside 859 00:38:02,420 --> 00:37:58,859 one of these chambers have seen as you 860 00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:02,430 know stranger spirit type light 861 00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:06,180 manifestations or orbs and have even 862 00:38:17,809 --> 00:38:15,839 heard go ahead voices so I some of these 863 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,819 clients homes they do I hear some really 864 00:38:21,739 --> 00:38:20,160 weird stuff but yeah those are some 865 00:38:23,569 --> 00:38:21,749 places I really would like to check out 866 00:38:28,009 --> 00:38:23,579 you know to just out of my own curiosity 867 00:38:31,940 --> 00:38:28,019 you know but yeah I've seen I just just 868 00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:31,950 did a case a few weeks ago where I saw 869 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:34,140 and I knew there was something kind of 870 00:38:38,299 --> 00:38:36,210 really negative there I could just tell 871 00:38:41,660 --> 00:38:38,309 by the the feel of it didn't feel right 872 00:38:42,979 --> 00:38:41,670 and I saw this went down into the 873 00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:42,989 basement where we're gonna set up some 874 00:38:48,019 --> 00:38:46,529 of our equipment and I get down to the 875 00:38:50,749 --> 00:38:48,029 bottom of the stairs one of my team 876 00:38:52,339 --> 00:38:50,759 members right behind me I said it's and 877 00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:52,349 all the lights are on and and there's 878 00:38:58,430 --> 00:38:55,619 this like dark black figure that looks 879 00:39:00,349 --> 00:38:58,440 like a I don't know how to describe it 880 00:39:03,859 --> 00:39:00,359 but he looks like a big gingerbread man 881 00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:03,869 okay just all you know rounded you know 882 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:06,960 like all I know if you give me a cup of 883 00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:09,650 coffee he won't be there long 884 00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,710 I saw turned away I look it straight at 885 00:39:16,729 --> 00:39:15,359 it - it was out of the corner of your 886 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:16,739 eye I think I was looking straight at 887 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:19,890 this thing and it shot off and I went 888 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:20,910 right after it might 889 00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:24,180 like fellow investigators like I said I 890 00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:25,500 just saw this thing I gotta see where 891 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:27,960 the heck it went and we gonna say it's a 892 00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:31,650 remanence of was it Hansel and Gretel 893 00:39:37,070 --> 00:39:34,440 yeah baby I don't know you know what 894 00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:37,080 they I've heard over the years I've 895 00:39:41,090 --> 00:39:39,030 heard from other people and people who 896 00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:41,100 have seen demonic type figures is that's 897 00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:43,140 what they say they sometimes will look 898 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:45,180 like because they can't quite take on a 899 00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:50,730 actual human shape form so you know is 900 00:39:54,110 --> 00:39:52,740 that what I saw is that what it was I 901 00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:54,120 don't know I know what I saw 902 00:39:59,060 --> 00:39:55,500 you know and I know what happened later 903 00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,070 on in that case but I've seen some 904 00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:00,720 really weird stuff over the years and 905 00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:02,790 I've been told that's because I'm you 906 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:04,110 know I have some abilities and I'm 907 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:07,530 sensitive to it so I can take heart to 908 00:40:11,090 --> 00:40:09,690 the poor lady they're over at England 909 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:11,100 and what what they put her through you 910 00:40:14,660 --> 00:40:13,170 know because you know you can talk to 911 00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:14,670 people about it and people so some 912 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:16,320 people think I'm nuts you know and I'm 913 00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:18,090 like look you know I work for the 914 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:19,320 Department of Defense I work in 915 00:40:24,430 --> 00:40:21,570 engineering too so from nuts were all in 916 00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:26,720 work out may not work I don't know you 917 00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,640 know but that's you know that's that's 918 00:40:33,830 --> 00:40:31,680 another thing so it's just what you 919 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:33,840 experienced and what you see and how you 920 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:36,090 approach things and that's you know 921 00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:37,890 maybe I take it a little bit different 922 00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:40,440 perspective than some investigators or 923 00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:42,540 ghost hunters or whatever you want to 924 00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:46,190 call us these days how have your 925 00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:48,780 opinions have your opinions at all 926 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:52,440 changed over the course of your years of 927 00:40:57,410 --> 00:40:55,170 investigating the various phenomena yeah 928 00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:57,420 yeah I mean they have you know and if 929 00:41:00,860 --> 00:40:59,010 they don't you then you're not really 930 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:00,870 learning anything right I mean if you 931 00:41:04,460 --> 00:41:02,490 stick to the opinions you have when you 932 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:04,470 first get into this stuff or you're 933 00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:06,810 you're you know your original theories 934 00:41:12,110 --> 00:41:08,460 of things and you're not learning 935 00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:12,120 anything I have I think come to realize 936 00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:15,630 that especially within the paranormal 937 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:18,150 and when you're dealing with different 938 00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:20,010 types of spirits or entities or things 939 00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:23,700 like that I think sometimes very often 940 00:41:28,850 --> 00:41:26,700 what I refer to what is called elemental 941 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:28,860 spirits are mistaken for demonic 942 00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:30,690 entities and there's a difference 943 00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:32,380 between the 944 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:35,230 that's my own theory on things how would 945 00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:37,569 you how would you describe a what we're 946 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:39,430 thinking of elementals as being like 947 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:42,010 fairies oh well they could be that I 948 00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:44,710 mean these are things that no no in 949 00:41:50,849 --> 00:41:48,160 garden gnomes and trolls and I'm not so 950 00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:50,859 much thinking of that aspect of it as 951 00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:53,950 more of like the Native American aspect 952 00:41:58,140 --> 00:41:56,079 of elemental spirits and what they 953 00:41:59,880 --> 00:41:58,150 worshiped and because we deal with a lot 954 00:42:02,940 --> 00:41:59,890 with that on this East Coast over here 955 00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:02,950 you know especially in the New England 956 00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:05,020 area there's a lot of where the original 957 00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:07,510 Indian settlements were stuff like that 958 00:42:11,370 --> 00:42:08,920 so there's a lot of that I mean you 959 00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:11,380 could look at it as as fairies or gnomes 960 00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:13,390 or you know whatever you want to think 961 00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:16,480 of too but to me I mean and if you 962 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:19,390 listen to the Indian Indians themselves 963 00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,970 talk about their their belief systems 964 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:23,680 and stuff like that these were their 965 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:27,910 gods now and they were created as part 966 00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:30,250 of the earth to look over the earth so 967 00:42:37,049 --> 00:42:33,609 they're not necessarily all evil are all 968 00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,059 negative but they tend to not necessary 969 00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:39,520 like humans anymore because of what we 970 00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:40,900 do to the earth right we don't really 971 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:44,740 take good care of it anymore so they can 972 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:46,690 in that like us and we forget into areas 973 00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:48,250 where they are they tend to try to drive 974 00:42:52,589 --> 00:42:50,500 us out they can be threatening typically 975 00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,599 but they typically won't try to possess 976 00:42:57,390 --> 00:42:55,119 anybody and I think that's that's where 977 00:42:59,700 --> 00:42:57,400 the difference comes in between what we 978 00:43:02,010 --> 00:42:59,710 believe is demonic spirits in this field 979 00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:02,020 and what we believe is maybe elemental 980 00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:05,260 spirits elementals just don't want you 981 00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:06,760 around basically is what I've come 982 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:09,760 across and demonic spirits really want 983 00:43:14,670 --> 00:43:11,410 to do some harm to people you know 984 00:43:16,349 --> 00:43:14,680 there's a difference there you know so I 985 00:43:18,539 --> 00:43:16,359 have some newer theories about things 986 00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:18,549 and newer ideas about things and I used 987 00:43:24,450 --> 00:43:22,420 to have years ago you know and again 988 00:43:28,859 --> 00:43:24,460 yeah I think you guys would say the same 989 00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:28,869 thing right I mean oh yeah yeah because 990 00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:31,390 growing up growing up we all thought 991 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:35,640 that every single UFO was interplanetary 992 00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:39,910 and and now we kind of put that on a 993 00:43:45,390 --> 00:43:41,950 scale of one to ten kind of at the 994 00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:48,060 and that's instant unless Bigfoot is 995 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:53,980 piloting the ship then we the Squatch 996 00:43:58,740 --> 00:43:55,570 detective there I let him know that the 997 00:44:02,070 --> 00:43:58,750 pilot in the ships that we have we have 998 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:02,080 some cases that there was a case of I 999 00:44:09,090 --> 00:44:04,690 think the fellows name was Bosco 1000 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:09,100 William Bosco and Michigan or Wisconsin 1001 00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:11,650 back years and years ago I interviewed 1002 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:14,590 him on the telephone and he claimed that 1003 00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:18,850 he had seen on a rather desolate length 1004 00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:22,960 of railroad a globe shaped object that 1005 00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:25,120 was transparent so that he can see 1006 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:28,270 inside and there at the controls was 1007 00:44:34,890 --> 00:44:31,930 some big hairy dude I don't know you 1008 00:44:37,110 --> 00:44:34,900 know I mean back in those days you heard 1009 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:37,120 the story you say well this guy must 1010 00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,430 have been the you know like smoke at his 1011 00:44:45,090 --> 00:44:42,000 own weed or something like that but 1012 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:45,100 maybe maybe maybe Bigfoot was smoking is 1013 00:44:50,010 --> 00:44:47,170 only his weed I can't you can't you 1014 00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:50,020 can't really tell there are you Tim you 1015 00:44:53,460 --> 00:44:51,700 you've investigated the other two there 1016 00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:53,470 you've investigated some pretty bizarre 1017 00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:56,800 cases and on your life your career oh 1018 00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:00,780 yeah yeah well and you know I was just 1019 00:45:06,570 --> 00:45:04,840 wondering wanting to ask though when you 1020 00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:06,580 bring up the whole you know like demon 1021 00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:08,710 aspect when it you know what it comes to 1022 00:45:12,930 --> 00:45:10,840 this yeah you know investigation I mean 1023 00:45:13,950 --> 00:45:12,940 you know it's it's it's something that 1024 00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:13,960 you know I was thinking you know you 1025 00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:16,960 really do need to you know a trend 1026 00:45:22,530 --> 00:45:20,230 lightly because I've seen so many you 1027 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:22,540 know people and you know and maybe it's 1028 00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:24,850 just I don't know you know they let 1029 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:26,110 their I think they let their own belief 1030 00:45:29,610 --> 00:45:28,210 systems you know get in the way but you 1031 00:45:31,290 --> 00:45:29,620 know they'll go into a house and almost 1032 00:45:34,410 --> 00:45:31,300 immediately you know like oh yeah you've 1033 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:34,420 got demons in here oh yeah they're in 1034 00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:36,010 your closet they're eating your food 1035 00:45:40,410 --> 00:45:38,680 your refrigerator you know and then you 1036 00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:40,420 know the people the house are scared 1037 00:45:52,380 --> 00:45:50,740 shitless yes the rare mmm-hmm but I mean 1038 00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:52,390 some of it yes some of these people I 1039 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:53,470 mean you know it's just like you know 1040 00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:56,530 every creak you know it's a demon you 1041 00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,490 know for sure you know 1042 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:01,280 yes sometimes I think then that you know 1043 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:03,170 whatever you know is going on in the 1044 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:04,730 houses like all while you think we're 1045 00:46:08,980 --> 00:46:06,770 demons okay we're demons and then start 1046 00:46:11,260 --> 00:46:08,990 you know like playing that game so to 1047 00:46:13,650 --> 00:46:11,270 speak yeah yeah no I agree with that and 1048 00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,660 I get clients all the time I'm possessed 1049 00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:16,160 mmm and I really don't I have to talk 1050 00:46:19,329 --> 00:46:17,660 them down from me because it's like well 1051 00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:19,339 number one if you really were possessed 1052 00:46:23,050 --> 00:46:21,470 you wouldn't be telling me because you 1053 00:46:24,910 --> 00:46:23,060 wouldn't know you were you know they're 1054 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:24,920 like what yeah yeah the demons don't let 1055 00:46:28,030 --> 00:46:26,570 you know they've possessed you okay it 1056 00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:28,040 just doesn't work that way you know 1057 00:46:31,870 --> 00:46:29,420 they're out there for a reason they're 1058 00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:31,880 really trying to just and it and weird 1059 00:46:36,190 --> 00:46:34,700 and it gets weird because you know that 1060 00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:36,200 they have bad things happen in their 1061 00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,310 life so they want to blame it on 1062 00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:39,680 something and you've get you become 1063 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:41,180 almost like a psychologist to them 1064 00:46:45,310 --> 00:46:43,730 really and and I don't mind doing that 1065 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:45,320 but I point them in the correct 1066 00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:47,210 direction to you know it's like well 1067 00:46:50,770 --> 00:46:49,310 you've got other things going on you 1068 00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,780 know anything you need to talk to a 1069 00:46:55,329 --> 00:46:52,880 professional and and but they often have 1070 00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:55,339 a haunting going on too I found that I 1071 00:46:58,210 --> 00:46:56,240 mean we have a 10 1072 00:47:00,700 --> 00:46:58,220 excuse me 11 page form we have people 1073 00:47:02,349 --> 00:47:00,710 fell out before they they we go and 1074 00:47:04,089 --> 00:47:02,359 investigate so they have to tell us 1075 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:04,099 everything you know and you'd be 1076 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:05,570 surprised people really want your help 1077 00:47:09,579 --> 00:47:07,010 they have that form back to you within 1078 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:09,589 an hour you know and there's a lot of 1079 00:47:13,150 --> 00:47:11,450 questions on that form you know and then 1080 00:47:14,859 --> 00:47:13,160 the other ones who be like oh yeah I'll 1081 00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,869 get to I'll get to it okay you never 1082 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:17,119 hear from them again because that's one 1083 00:47:20,770 --> 00:47:18,650 thing we do it's like I'm not gonna 1084 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:20,780 investigate until I get that form cuz 1085 00:47:26,829 --> 00:47:24,290 I'm not gonna drive for five hours at my 1086 00:47:30,339 --> 00:47:26,839 expense to help you unless you tell me 1087 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:30,349 what's really going on you know so you 1088 00:47:34,450 --> 00:47:32,450 know it works you know but yeah people 1089 00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:34,460 people start to believe everything's 1090 00:47:39,820 --> 00:47:37,070 paranormal when not everything is well I 1091 00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:39,830 could you know right I could see though 1092 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:43,910 that filling out that form if a person 1093 00:47:48,339 --> 00:47:46,730 is really serious and you know really 1094 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:48,349 think that you know something bizarre is 1095 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:51,050 going in their house I'll be willing to 1096 00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:52,970 take the time to fall out I think that's 1097 00:47:59,079 --> 00:47:57,440 a tremendous tremendous idea yeah we've 1098 00:48:00,910 --> 00:47:59,089 been doing it for a long time and you 1099 00:48:03,310 --> 00:48:00,920 know I you know it wasn't Maya the form 1100 00:48:04,610 --> 00:48:03,320 wasn't my idea it came from another 1101 00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:04,620 group who was on TV 1102 00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:08,790 [Laughter] 1103 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:11,310 we let that I see any well we we have 1104 00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:13,290 our own form that we have to go to right 1105 00:48:26,430 --> 00:48:15,990 now a form of a break on exploring the 1106 00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:30,730 explore the bazaars are your e-ticket 1107 00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:33,400 ride into the world of the paranormal 1108 00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:36,710 strap yourself in as we traverse the 1109 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:40,990 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 1110 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:44,110 ghosts Lost Worlds 1111 00:48:50,350 --> 00:48:46,490 cryptozoology waters as well as other 1112 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:50,360 dimensions it's time to take back the 1113 00:48:58,570 --> 00:48:55,490 night now your electrifying hosts of 1114 00:49:06,790 --> 00:48:58,580 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 1115 00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:06,800 team sports welcome back to the second 1116 00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:10,750 hour of exploring the bizarre and when 1117 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:13,990 previously been we were talking about 1118 00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:17,450 Helen Duncan and this would have been in 1119 00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:23,840 the 1940s now the spiritualist mediums 1120 00:49:28,750 --> 00:49:27,350 had made somewhat of a comeback during 1121 00:49:31,450 --> 00:49:28,760 this time it always seems like a you 1122 00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:31,460 know during war that naturally people 1123 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:33,710 become interested in you know trying to 1124 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:35,690 get some information on you know say 1125 00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:38,330 their loved ones who are overseas 1126 00:49:46,930 --> 00:49:44,180 fighting and she kind of put the scare 1127 00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:46,940 in the authorities when she started 1128 00:49:52,780 --> 00:49:49,760 talking and revealing information about 1129 00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:52,790 sunken ships that had not been revealed 1130 00:49:59,410 --> 00:49:57,680 publicly so I can imagine what they were 1131 00:50:02,650 --> 00:49:59,420 thinking about here they may not have 1132 00:50:05,050 --> 00:50:02,660 believed that her sources were of you 1133 00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:05,060 know paranormal nature but I'm sure they 1134 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:08,510 must have thought something and how do 1135 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:11,930 we shut this woman up it's exactly they 1136 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:14,210 were mentioned the the paranoia the fear 1137 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:15,170 that was going around as this 1138 00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:17,090 information started coming their way 1139 00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:19,190 Brigadier Roy fire brace so I mentioned 1140 00:50:23,740 --> 00:50:20,900 previously a head of Army Intelligence 1141 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:23,750 and he was also a member of the Society 1142 00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:26,690 for psychical research and also he you 1143 00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,760 asked her Crowley he was very involved 1144 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:31,520 in that sort of thing and tell me that 1145 00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,570 we have a letter there's a letter 1146 00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,160 actually in existence his daughter has 1147 00:50:39,940 --> 00:50:36,800 it his daughter's still alive and the 1148 00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:39,950 letter is he's a very worried letter he 1149 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:42,590 he's writing almost in a form of panic 1150 00:50:47,110 --> 00:50:44,810 to the to the war office basically 1151 00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:47,120 saying you've got to do something about 1152 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:48,740 this woman this Scottish woman Helen 1153 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:51,290 Duncan because this because think about 1154 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:52,610 because vibrates because of his 1155 00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,690 connections to intercept the 1156 00:50:58,090 --> 00:50:55,520 intelligence world in an espionage and 1157 00:50:59,800 --> 00:50:58,100 the fact that he was a member of the SPR 1158 00:51:00,910 --> 00:50:59,810 and he understood the paranormal he knew 1159 00:51:02,770 --> 00:51:00,920 all about the things that Jack was 1160 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:02,780 talking about about soul and the 1161 00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,210 afterlife and the way that soul spirits 1162 00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:07,760 can communicate with the living he said 1163 00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:10,190 this is an unplugged belief you've got 1164 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:11,870 you just got to stop her doing this and 1165 00:51:16,750 --> 00:51:14,570 it appears that the we don't know for 1166 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:16,760 certain but whether the the actual 1167 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:18,410 government took him seriously but we do 1168 00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,170 they I think they must have done because 1169 00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,880 because of what happened in 1944 because 1170 00:51:28,330 --> 00:51:25,280 in January 1944 she was arrested there 1171 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:28,340 was a police raid on on a Spiritist 1172 00:51:33,790 --> 00:51:30,050 Center in Portsmouth and she was 1173 00:51:36,190 --> 00:51:33,800 basically dragged out and was locked up 1174 00:51:38,530 --> 00:51:36,200 now I suspect she was she was probably 1175 00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:38,540 wasn't expecting the the kind of trouble 1176 00:51:42,700 --> 00:51:41,150 that she got into because psychic 1177 00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,710 mediums would sometimes be arrested by 1178 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:44,720 the police in those days but some they 1179 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:46,250 just got a fine and they were let they 1180 00:51:49,570 --> 00:51:47,930 were let off and that's about there is 1181 00:51:51,850 --> 00:51:49,580 but before she knew what was happening 1182 00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:51,860 she found that her case has been 1183 00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:54,140 escalated to the the Central Criminal 1184 00:51:59,560 --> 00:51:56,660 Court of London and she was facing a 1185 00:52:02,110 --> 00:51:59,570 trial odds of the witchcraft act of 1735 1186 00:52:04,660 --> 00:52:02,120 this is this archaic law which has 1187 00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:04,670 hardly been used for over a century and 1188 00:52:07,210 --> 00:52:06,020 was basically on it was just the only 1189 00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,220 reason he hadn't been repealed is 1190 00:52:10,420 --> 00:52:08,720 because they couldn't get enough MPs in 1191 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:10,430 Parliament to bother just to put the 1192 00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,250 rubber stamp on it and get rid of it so 1193 00:52:16,330 --> 00:52:14,960 why and this is the question but it was 1194 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:16,340 a really serious situation because she 1195 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:18,050 if she was found guilty she could face 1196 00:52:23,230 --> 00:52:20,570 up to nine months in jail it's it was 1197 00:52:25,330 --> 00:52:23,240 very worrying for her I mean and she did 1198 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:25,340 she appeared in court at the Old Bailey 1199 00:52:33,340 --> 00:52:30,890 in in March of 1944 and um she wasn't D 1200 00:52:34,810 --> 00:52:33,350 convicted she's convicted and she was 1201 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:34,820 sentenced the full nine months as she 1202 00:52:38,530 --> 00:52:37,010 was some well she had a she was kept as 1203 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:38,540 a remand prisoner she got a bit of time 1204 00:52:43,330 --> 00:52:40,130 off but she was not released in sort of 1205 00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:43,340 September and the reason I think this 1206 00:52:48,250 --> 00:52:46,190 happened is because the the government 1207 00:52:50,380 --> 00:52:48,260 was very very worried about d-day now 1208 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:50,390 Operation Overlord the 6th of June which 1209 00:52:53,790 --> 00:52:53,090 was the Allied invasion of Europe this 1210 00:52:55,770 --> 00:52:53,800 too 1211 00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,780 place under a massive amount of secrecy 1212 00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,280 but it had to be planned in in great 1213 00:53:02,430 --> 00:52:59,200 detail which meant a lot of people were 1214 00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:02,440 in on the secret and I suspect the the 1215 00:53:06,210 --> 00:53:04,660 reason the actual impetus term but the 1216 00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:06,220 event which made them decide to 1217 00:53:10,590 --> 00:53:07,990 prosecute Helen Duncan and get her put 1218 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:10,600 away was in November of 1943 there was 1219 00:53:14,310 --> 00:53:12,370 an exercise off the coast of Dorset 1220 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:14,320 involving one of the landing craft which 1221 00:53:18,090 --> 00:53:15,850 you often see in the movies the ones 1222 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:18,100 with the the ramp at the front which 1223 00:53:22,650 --> 00:53:20,050 comes down as the boat hits the beach 1224 00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:22,660 and the soldiers come running out one of 1225 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:24,550 those sunk off the coast of Dorset with 1226 00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:26,410 about forty troops on board everyone's 1227 00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:29,140 drowned and these were guys it was a 1228 00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,470 forty men in the spirit world who knew 1229 00:53:35,820 --> 00:53:34,240 lots of secrets of d-day who were 1230 00:53:37,650 --> 00:53:35,830 floating around wait waiting for an 1231 00:53:39,330 --> 00:53:37,660 opportunity to come back and maybe 1232 00:53:43,740 --> 00:53:39,340 perhaps who no fault of their own reveal 1233 00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:43,750 this secrets through Helen Duncan and he 1234 00:53:47,810 --> 00:53:45,790 too would take one enemy spy in the room 1235 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:47,820 and careless talk costs lives etc etc 1236 00:53:52,410 --> 00:53:50,530 and that's it d-day the secrets of d-day 1237 00:53:56,250 --> 00:53:52,420 below because the government went to 1238 00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:56,260 extraordinary lengths to misinform the 1239 00:54:01,800 --> 00:53:58,210 enemy they actually put planted some 1240 00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,810 disinformation in on the enemy through 1241 00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:03,760 who's planted documents and things like 1242 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:04,000 that 1243 00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:05,650 indicating they were going to invade for 1244 00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:07,390 the south through Italy I had some very 1245 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:10,030 very believable false documents so make 1246 00:54:13,050 --> 00:54:12,130 the enemy think that when they were 1247 00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,060 actually planning to invade through 1248 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:15,040 Normandy France which is what they did 1249 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:18,250 so there was a real learn there was 1250 00:54:22,260 --> 00:54:20,050 there must been panic in in the white 1251 00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:22,270 hall in the cabinet war rooms as they 1252 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:23,500 said well look this just let's just 1253 00:54:29,010 --> 00:54:26,410 concoct a a fake case against Helen 1254 00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:29,020 Duncan just make up something to get her 1255 00:54:33,090 --> 00:54:31,270 put away just so we she's out away for 1256 00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:33,100 d-day I think that's why they did it 1257 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:36,400 Simo was there any indication that that 1258 00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:38,050 they may have gone to her first and just 1259 00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:39,430 said you know for the love of garden 1260 00:54:44,850 --> 00:54:42,160 country you know shut up don't don't 1261 00:54:46,590 --> 00:54:44,860 talk about this kind of thing or it all 1262 00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,600 be you would think that would have been 1263 00:54:51,780 --> 00:54:48,880 more like the proper thing to it least 1264 00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:51,790 give her a chance to yeah don't you 1265 00:54:57,060 --> 00:54:53,710 think though that that bringing this to 1266 00:54:59,850 --> 00:54:57,070 attention and taking her to the in front 1267 00:55:02,340 --> 00:54:59,860 of us is the bailiff over there any in 1268 00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:02,350 in yeah it'll Night Court 1269 00:55:08,590 --> 00:55:05,020 yeah Oh Bailey okay oh I like Old Bailey 1270 00:55:13,850 --> 00:55:10,850 anyway don't you think that that would 1271 00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:13,860 bring more attention to her well I mean 1272 00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:15,240 this is them this is why I think they 1273 00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,920 were they decided to go for broke 1274 00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:18,720 essentially it was a bit of a a double 1275 00:55:22,610 --> 00:55:20,910 or quits situation but so I mean the 1276 00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:22,620 idea that they could why didn't they 1277 00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:25,470 just simply approach her get her to sign 1278 00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,180 the Official Secrets Act pay her some 1279 00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:29,040 compensation and just say look do you 1280 00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:30,660 mind not practicing for the next couple 1281 00:55:34,310 --> 00:55:32,820 of months I mean they could have done 1282 00:55:37,310 --> 00:55:34,320 that and the cost would have been less 1283 00:55:39,050 --> 00:55:37,320 than probably what the trial was and she 1284 00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:39,060 was a like like everyone in the country 1285 00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,740 oh she was behind the war effort she was 1286 00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:42,720 a patriotic woman she would have agreed 1287 00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:45,180 this is what this is what so people are 1288 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:46,500 saying now because there's a campaign to 1289 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:49,050 pardon her and it's being led by a lady 1290 00:55:53,540 --> 00:55:50,970 called Margaret Hahn who is Helen's 1291 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:53,550 granddaughter and I've been in touch 1292 00:55:58,550 --> 00:55:54,990 with her Ashish I'm trying to help her 1293 00:56:01,300 --> 00:55:58,560 as best I can because this was quite 1294 00:56:04,990 --> 00:56:01,310 clearly a this is quite clearly a 1295 00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:05,000 kangaroo court situation this is how 1296 00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:08,940 long did your movie run on this there 1297 00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,920 you're a little documentary that you did 1298 00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:12,660 I've made several actually I've made 1299 00:56:16,130 --> 00:56:14,520 several documentaries about this one of 1300 00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,140 them and it's it's a it's a power an 1301 00:56:20,930 --> 00:56:18,720 hour and forty minutes okay I saw that 1302 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:20,940 maybe about a year ago or is there a new 1303 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:22,890 one after that there is yeah I mean the 1304 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:24,810 one I did it's a bit amateurish I don't 1305 00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:26,970 like the camerawork I'm I'm not very 1306 00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:28,260 pleased with it but a lot of people a 1307 00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:29,310 lot of other people seem to like it 1308 00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:31,980 which is nice but I think hey listen it 1309 00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,280 it's it's it's a YouTube and it's 1310 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:37,200 content that we're interested in and not 1311 00:56:42,590 --> 00:56:40,530 not so much camerawork although I I have 1312 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:42,600 to say you do a decent camera work I I 1313 00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:44,370 was always wondering how you did you 1314 00:56:48,260 --> 00:56:45,900 said just held the camera in front and 1315 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:48,270 walked on a walk down down the street 1316 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:50,850 yeah I actually went to visited the 1317 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:52,890 locations where the the main events of 1318 00:56:57,350 --> 00:56:55,290 that happened and I even filmed I even 1319 00:56:58,790 --> 00:56:57,360 got permission to film inside the 1320 00:57:00,290 --> 00:56:58,800 original spiritualist Centre in 1321 00:57:01,940 --> 00:57:00,300 Portsmouth where Helen was arrested 1322 00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:01,950 which today oh yes it's someone's flat 1323 00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:03,720 it's it's just allowing someone's flat 1324 00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:05,700 but they gave me permission to go in and 1325 00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:07,710 film there which is really nice of them 1326 00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:08,910 and I've got so got some footage from 1327 00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:10,800 inside the room where it all took place 1328 00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:14,100 she did like drag drag around in front 1329 00:57:17,690 --> 00:57:14,940 of the press 1330 00:57:19,850 --> 00:57:17,700 yeah it was it was a big media sensation 1331 00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:19,860 they the police dragged basically raided 1332 00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:20,940 a place as if she was sunk 1333 00:57:25,970 --> 00:57:23,609 and a bank robber with her stash they 1334 00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:25,980 they rested her they detained everyone 1335 00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:27,960 they were they was like about a dozen 1336 00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:31,230 officers involved in this raid and Helen 1337 00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:32,520 could have been badly hurt actually I 1338 00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:34,500 mean if you if you looked into the 1339 00:57:38,990 --> 00:57:36,599 phenomena of manifestation mediums 1340 00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:39,000 you know that if they are disturbed when 1341 00:57:42,829 --> 00:57:40,680 they're in trial yes they can actually 1342 00:57:46,550 --> 00:57:42,839 be very very badly indeed Helen was in 1343 00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:46,560 1956 when she died in 1956 and it 1344 00:57:48,859 --> 00:57:47,849 followed an accident at well it wasn't 1345 00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:48,869 an accident it with the base of the 1346 00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:50,910 police killed her she was she had 1347 00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:52,380 arrayed in Nottingham she was doing a 1348 00:57:56,660 --> 00:57:53,640 seance in Nottingham and she suffered 1349 00:57:58,900 --> 00:57:56,670 third-degree burns to her chest as a 1350 00:58:01,480 --> 00:57:58,910 result of being disturbed in trance 1351 00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:01,490 could that be could that be documented 1352 00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:04,140 yes if there's a doctor examines her on 1353 00:58:07,220 --> 00:58:05,579 the scene if nothing was actually done 1354 00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:07,230 you see the police wanted to arrest her 1355 00:58:11,390 --> 00:58:08,520 and take away but she suffered she had 1356 00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:11,400 terrible burns to her chest and she well 1357 00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:13,740 she died about two weeks later and well 1358 00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:15,569 that's what that the Tim would you say 1359 00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:17,700 that's one of the best evidential 1360 00:58:23,569 --> 00:58:21,359 they're proof of this type of phenomena 1361 00:58:26,210 --> 00:58:23,579 oh yeah definitely but you know as Ben 1362 00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:26,220 says I mean there's been a lot of other 1363 00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:29,849 cases especially when a medium is like 1364 00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:31,470 right in the middle of say producing 1365 00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:35,359 ectoplasm and I know some scientists had 1366 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:39,359 attempted to get samples and it would 1367 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:42,450 cause you know like a lot of pain and 1368 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:45,810 and injuries to the medium I think what 1369 00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:48,290 of them described it as the ectoplasm 1370 00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:51,560 snapped back into their body so hard 1371 00:58:57,980 --> 00:58:54,510 that they were physically thrown 1372 00:58:59,780 --> 00:58:57,990 backwards against the wall of the the 1373 00:59:03,109 --> 00:58:59,790 you know the spirit boot that they were 1374 00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:03,119 in its fair this is why they they have 1375 00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:04,380 to have peace and quiet where the doors 1376 00:59:08,210 --> 00:59:06,089 are locked this is why the lights are 1377 00:59:10,220 --> 00:59:08,220 dimmed it's not so they can hide wires 1378 00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:10,230 and props and dummies it's not that's 1379 00:59:15,319 --> 00:59:12,359 not why they do it they do it because 1380 00:59:16,490 --> 00:59:15,329 the the medium and trance has to be in 1381 00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:16,500 that environment for their own safety 1382 00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:20,400 and so Helen was putting enormous danger 1383 00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:21,720 they could have killed her in that raid 1384 00:59:27,859 --> 00:59:24,780 in 1944 oh but they wanted to they 1385 00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,869 wanted to wreak yeah I was just 1386 00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:29,700 wondering a jacket have you heard of any 1387 00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:32,819 like a psychics or mediums over here 1388 00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:34,950 that have been the 1389 00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:38,220 executed to such an extent no it hasn't 1390 00:59:44,780 --> 00:59:40,920 happened in a long time I mean there and 1391 00:59:46,819 --> 00:59:44,790 and not that are you know going through 1392 00:59:48,109 --> 00:59:46,829 that I mean that's why I want to say 1393 00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:48,119 something because you know you talk 1394 00:59:51,849 --> 00:59:49,710 about how they're you know there's 1395 00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:51,859 snapped back in and stuff like that so 1396 00:59:56,210 --> 00:59:54,599 my thought just was so you know they're 1397 00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:56,220 manifesting these things so as the 1398 01:00:02,210 --> 00:59:59,010 ectoplasmic material actually part of 1399 01:00:04,579 --> 01:00:02,220 their own system and not necessary is 1400 01:00:07,849 --> 01:00:04,589 spiritual I mean it's a manifestation of 1401 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:07,859 a spiritual being or whatever but that 1402 01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:09,810 would tell me the ectoplasm is actually 1403 01:00:17,089 --> 01:00:12,839 part of that person you know their own 1404 01:00:19,310 --> 01:00:17,099 spiritual being city that's why you 1405 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:19,320 right so trying to take part of it is 1406 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:22,170 gonna do damage to them yeah it just 1407 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:23,970 seemed to be load army some it's a very 1408 01:00:28,339 --> 01:00:26,130 delicate situation and it's almost as if 1409 01:00:29,950 --> 01:00:28,349 a part of them comes out I'm sorry 1410 01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:29,960 they're fairy quarter yeah and it's 1411 01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:32,280 because yet it does seem to be low it's 1412 01:00:35,329 --> 01:00:33,839 not actually the exit plasm isn't 1413 01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:35,339 actually the spirit it's like an image 1414 01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:37,020 of the spirit of three like a 3d 1415 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:39,000 printing thing really it creates this 1416 01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:41,730 image but as far as as far as what you 1417 01:00:47,089 --> 01:00:43,470 guys are talking about with you know are 1418 01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:47,099 they do we have any more recent examples 1419 01:00:52,849 --> 01:00:51,119 of wow what we call witches here even up 1420 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:52,859 in Salem up in more modern times in the 1421 01:00:58,370 --> 01:00:56,010 1950s 60s they were still being 1422 01:01:00,410 --> 01:00:58,380 persecuted up there even then no they 1423 01:01:02,420 --> 01:01:00,420 were being arrested they were being you 1424 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:02,430 know jailed trying to be chased out it 1425 01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:04,050 kind of chased out of town for their 1426 01:01:11,089 --> 01:01:08,609 businesses in any obvious way but you 1427 01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:11,099 know you did have you did have a witch 1428 01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:13,380 up there who was the witch of Salem and 1429 01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:17,220 she was best friends with the mayor yes 1430 01:01:22,819 --> 01:01:19,500 yes yeah yeah and that's what helped 1431 01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,829 them kind of get in eventually yeah took 1432 01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:24,960 many years they were still being kind of 1433 01:01:29,809 --> 01:01:27,420 even within the United States persecuted 1434 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:29,819 to a point of well we don't want you in 1435 01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:31,530 this area we don't want you around here 1436 01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:32,940 they try to make them move their 1437 01:01:36,980 --> 01:01:34,500 businesses out and stuff like that make 1438 01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:36,990 it difficult for them so not so much is 1439 01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:39,030 necessarily arresting them although that 1440 01:01:46,190 --> 01:01:43,710 did happen but more of just kind of 1441 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:46,200 making it very difficult for them to run 1442 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:47,330 their businesses 1443 01:01:54,700 --> 01:01:50,450 so there are there are some towns that 1444 01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:54,710 have banned any kind of witchcraft not 1445 01:01:59,830 --> 01:01:57,650 which well witchcraft but also psychic 1446 01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:59,840 readings and all in fact there was a 1447 01:02:05,950 --> 01:02:02,240 story didn't get very much attention of 1448 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:05,960 a little town not far from Washington DC 1449 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:09,890 recently where there was a bookstore and 1450 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:12,410 they were doing free readings and the 1451 01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:14,810 City Council came after them and and 1452 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:17,660 made them stop doing the the readings on 1453 01:02:23,770 --> 01:02:20,330 their threat of being a find and so 1454 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:23,780 forth because they said that it would 1455 01:02:30,450 --> 01:02:28,130 lead to demons coming out yeah yeah and 1456 01:02:32,530 --> 01:02:30,460 that still goes on I mean that goes on 1457 01:02:38,860 --> 01:02:32,540 there already sitting on the City 1458 01:02:41,170 --> 01:02:38,870 Council already so Philadelphia you know 1459 01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:41,180 it's it's a big city um yeah they 1460 01:02:45,070 --> 01:02:43,070 actually was a there was a crackdown you 1461 01:02:46,930 --> 01:02:45,080 know very very arcade bylaw that was 1462 01:02:48,550 --> 01:02:46,940 suddenly brought we do they decide to 1463 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:48,560 enforce all of a sudden a few years ago 1464 01:02:52,930 --> 01:02:51,170 whether City Council officials went and 1465 01:02:56,410 --> 01:02:52,940 shut down a load of a fortune tellers 1466 01:02:59,020 --> 01:02:56,420 mediums tarot readers all over the city 1467 01:03:02,530 --> 01:02:59,030 it was a really really bad situation and 1468 01:03:04,990 --> 01:03:02,540 I I mean there was I heard about it on a 1469 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:05,000 skeptic forum and the skeptics was 1470 01:03:09,210 --> 01:03:06,770 cheering them on you know things like 1471 01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:09,220 that I was quite upset by this which 1472 01:03:20,430 --> 01:03:14,030 well you say there were a Philadelphia 1473 01:03:24,370 --> 01:03:20,440 used to be a very popular town as far as 1474 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:24,380 people who were into I I wouldn't call 1475 01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:29,330 it so much maybe spiritism and lucky 1476 01:03:35,020 --> 01:03:32,960 lottery numbers and AD dream books there 1477 01:03:36,910 --> 01:03:35,030 must have been there must have been 15 1478 01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,920 or 20 dream books that you could 1479 01:03:41,850 --> 01:03:38,720 actually buy on the on the newsstand 1480 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:41,860 there you know the night before the 1481 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:44,450 races at Churchill down to wherever 1482 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:47,570 wherever they the case they register you 1483 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:51,410 know around there and I don't know but 1484 01:03:54,550 --> 01:03:52,970 that that was quite a few years ago I 1485 01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:54,560 don't know if that's still going on and 1486 01:04:00,280 --> 01:03:57,160 mr. Silverman ran one of the big 1487 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:00,290 bookstores are there that sold occult 1488 01:04:05,370 --> 01:04:01,609 books and all 1489 01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:05,380 of course they just passed away 1490 01:04:13,059 --> 01:04:10,030 eventually they had run the these stores 1491 01:04:15,549 --> 01:04:13,069 you know that in the family and passed 1492 01:04:18,339 --> 01:04:15,559 it down from one generation to another 1493 01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:18,349 making the talismans and selling herbs 1494 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:20,480 and oils and things like that you you 1495 01:04:26,650 --> 01:04:22,250 can still find that quite a few of these 1496 01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:26,660 in the Spanish it neighborhoods but not 1497 01:04:32,859 --> 01:04:30,910 so much in the in Middle America anyway 1498 01:04:34,420 --> 01:04:32,869 building them up around here in the 1499 01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:34,430 Albany New York area 1500 01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:35,510 we're getting more and more of those 1501 01:04:40,299 --> 01:04:37,130 types of shops around here which is 1502 01:04:42,130 --> 01:04:40,309 interesting there's a lot of different 1503 01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:42,140 cultures in in the North America won't 1504 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:44,089 pass more variety and you get in Britain 1505 01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:45,530 because yeah like in the villages and 1506 01:04:49,059 --> 01:04:46,910 towns where people believe in Adam and 1507 01:04:52,059 --> 01:04:49,069 even things like that no but in a big 1508 01:04:53,799 --> 01:04:52,069 cities I mean I've never been to the 1509 01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,809 United States I'm not American but I 1510 01:04:57,940 --> 01:04:56,000 mean that for me there's still an issue 1511 01:04:59,710 --> 01:04:57,950 of human rights here I mean I made this 1512 01:05:01,390 --> 01:04:59,720 point I skeptics on the forum and I did 1513 01:05:03,220 --> 01:05:01,400 explain I said look you're basically 1514 01:05:05,140 --> 01:05:03,230 telling the government to go in and 1515 01:05:07,390 --> 01:05:05,150 enforce the will of the skeptics on 1516 01:05:09,819 --> 01:05:07,400 people who might necessarily be skeptics 1517 01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:09,829 and that's not fair and you could you 1518 01:05:12,730 --> 01:05:11,119 could you not wanting to persuade 1519 01:05:14,410 --> 01:05:12,740 someone you just like you're stepping in 1520 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:14,420 saying the law will force you to do this 1521 01:05:19,450 --> 01:05:16,250 wards will will get that you will use 1522 01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:19,460 the states to to basically compel you to 1523 01:05:22,990 --> 01:05:21,920 do what we tell you and I said is that's 1524 01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:23,000 not fair that's kept it so it's 1525 01:05:29,470 --> 01:05:27,049 perfectly fair they sense you yeah these 1526 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:29,480 course it is to them yeah but these 1527 01:05:32,589 --> 01:05:31,010 would be the same guys though that 1528 01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:32,599 they'd get all you know upset and 1529 01:05:37,410 --> 01:05:35,089 butthurt if say like in Kansas and 1530 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:37,420 someplace like that you know they 1531 01:05:43,450 --> 01:05:40,970 enforced teaching say like creationism 1532 01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:43,460 in the schools you know and passed a lot 1533 01:05:53,529 --> 01:05:46,640 and that would be the only thing then 1534 01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:53,539 yeah oh yeah no that's not fair against 1535 01:05:58,210 --> 01:05:55,910 it so that's it's very it's a very sort 1536 01:06:08,980 --> 01:05:58,220 of one way libertarianism they practice 1537 01:06:12,220 --> 01:06:08,990 yeah around here these days I guess what 1538 01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:12,230 we would call small fringe religions 1539 01:06:17,380 --> 01:06:14,809 that you might not find in the 1540 01:06:19,749 --> 01:06:17,390 you have spiritualism there in England 1541 01:06:22,269 --> 01:06:19,759 which is a course I have a many members 1542 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:22,279 of spiritualists a spiritualist Church 1543 01:06:26,589 --> 01:06:24,890 you think there are today over their bed 1544 01:06:27,489 --> 01:06:26,599 oh we there's over a hundred churches in 1545 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:27,499 the country there's two main 1546 01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:31,130 organizations and just it's still every 1547 01:06:34,089 --> 01:06:32,689 stack lining somewhat but it's still 1548 01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:34,099 popular I mean there's a one is what 1549 01:06:37,209 --> 01:06:35,599 used to be two in Oxford I think it's 1550 01:06:40,359 --> 01:06:37,219 just one not Church in Oxford now but I 1551 01:06:42,429 --> 01:06:40,369 do go along sometimes well you know you 1552 01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:42,439 know a sight the psychic news which is 1553 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:43,849 the big glossy magazine that we 1554 01:06:49,529 --> 01:06:45,890 advertise it they are they are merging 1555 01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:49,539 with two worlds and both of those 1556 01:06:58,059 --> 01:06:53,569 publications have go back I don't know 1557 01:07:00,609 --> 01:06:58,069 where what - almost 80 or 90 years now 1558 01:07:04,089 --> 01:07:00,619 you know and psychic news I remember 1559 01:07:06,909 --> 01:07:04,099 reading when I was 15 years old or 1560 01:07:10,059 --> 01:07:06,919 something like that you know and they 1561 01:07:11,949 --> 01:07:10,069 got a really big glossy magazine now in 1562 01:07:12,759 --> 01:07:11,959 fact they didn't have an article on 1563 01:07:16,959 --> 01:07:12,769 Helen 1564 01:07:20,289 --> 01:07:16,969 Duncan recently and you know I mean it's 1565 01:07:22,269 --> 01:07:20,299 a it's a really flashy looking magazine 1566 01:07:24,279 --> 01:07:22,279 that it may be the only one I think 1567 01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:24,289 today in the world I can't really think 1568 01:07:32,529 --> 01:07:29,599 of a printed magazine per se anymore 1569 01:07:35,229 --> 01:07:32,539 that delves into the just the the 1570 01:07:37,959 --> 01:07:35,239 psychic you've got the 14 at times of 1571 01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:37,969 course but they're they kind of like sit 1572 01:07:42,669 --> 01:07:40,640 on the fence as far as most of this goes 1573 01:07:46,929 --> 01:07:42,679 and CAFTA articles that they do were 1574 01:07:49,659 --> 01:07:46,939 kind of a tongue-in-cheek and she we can 1575 01:07:52,149 --> 01:07:49,669 tie to what they don't like me either 1576 01:07:53,859 --> 01:07:52,159 14 times they they wrote they wrote they 1577 01:08:02,019 --> 01:07:53,869 said that was a bit of a loonies and I 1578 01:08:05,409 --> 01:08:02,029 know they wrote about me what was 1579 01:08:08,620 --> 01:08:05,419 charles fort he was a he was a he was a 1580 01:08:10,479 --> 01:08:08,630 big loony I know maybe you turn in his 1581 01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:10,489 grave if you could see them on an ft he 1582 01:08:15,009 --> 01:08:11,119 really would 1583 01:08:16,930 --> 01:08:15,019 well you know I bit his grave it's not 1584 01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:16,940 far from here it's up near it's in the 1585 01:08:23,519 --> 01:08:21,679 rural rural Albany Cemetery in fact we 1586 01:08:26,189 --> 01:08:23,529 were thinking of having a little picnic 1587 01:08:28,599 --> 01:08:26,199 up there this year but it never 1588 01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:28,609 materialized we may do it next 1589 01:08:37,180 --> 01:08:33,199 a year but the cemetery is haunted so 1590 01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:37,190 we've had will be other MIB lady Claudia 1591 01:08:42,999 --> 01:08:40,480 Cunningham she's kind of our regional 1592 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:43,009 associate up in that part of the the 1593 01:08:49,329 --> 01:08:45,170 state and they've had all kind of 1594 01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:49,339 mysterious black cars being seen in the 1595 01:08:54,129 --> 01:08:51,920 the gravel road and it'll drive down a 1596 01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:54,139 gravel road and and disappear entirely 1597 01:09:00,280 --> 01:08:58,159 and up one of the the presidents that's 1598 01:09:04,890 --> 01:09:00,290 not very well known it is buried there 1599 01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:09,899 caravan of cars will appear in circle is 1600 01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:13,759 where he's buried his Monument and then 1601 01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,310 disappear I mean okay and people are 1602 01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:18,319 seen flying over the tombstones dressed 1603 01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:21,350 in pajamas and carrying candles at night 1604 01:09:25,660 --> 01:09:23,270 and then they're there these are big 1605 01:09:27,129 --> 01:09:25,670 dogs that like will growl at you but 1606 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:27,139 then when you turn around there will 1607 01:09:32,890 --> 01:09:29,690 have disappeared I mean it's it's a it's 1608 01:09:35,019 --> 01:09:32,900 a freaky Cemetery so Charles Ford is 1609 01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:35,029 continuing his research with all this 1610 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:39,310 weird but that's in the right place they 1611 01:09:47,010 --> 01:09:44,690 for sure in fact there is a video on our 1612 01:09:51,579 --> 01:09:47,020 YouTube channel which is mystery UFOs 1613 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:51,589 secret files of me and Claudia in the 1614 01:09:56,830 --> 01:09:55,010 cemetery and there's some spooky things 1615 01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:56,840 that happen while we're while we're 1616 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:00,320 there and maybe next year well this year 1617 01:10:05,109 --> 01:10:02,810 actually later on when the weather gets 1618 01:10:08,350 --> 01:10:05,119 better if it ever does we might have our 1619 01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:08,360 little outing and excursion there and 1620 01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,080 hopefully some phenomena may appear in 1621 01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:14,960 fact we heard that the Statehouse where 1622 01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:17,840 the governor resides has got a ghost in 1623 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:19,730 it and then that made the paper I mean 1624 01:10:26,649 --> 01:10:22,210 it yeah people don't seem to shy away 1625 01:10:28,030 --> 01:10:26,659 from this as much as they they used to 1626 01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:28,040 wouldn't you say that Jack I mean is 1627 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:28,850 there a little bit 1628 01:10:32,590 --> 01:10:30,530 I agree with actually they give it a or 1629 01:10:35,140 --> 01:10:32,600 at the at the mansion there every year 1630 01:10:37,089 --> 01:10:35,150 for that like the ghost tour and they 1631 01:10:38,859 --> 01:10:37,099 talk about that that spirit that's there 1632 01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,869 well why do we why don't we go why don't 1633 01:10:42,700 --> 01:10:40,400 we go up there and do a little bit of an 1634 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:42,710 investigation of our own maybe 1635 01:10:57,939 --> 01:10:44,810 publicity for the show in your groups 1636 01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:57,949 and if they let us wear the media como 1637 01:11:07,990 --> 01:10:59,360 could use a little help at this point 1638 01:11:10,570 --> 01:11:08,000 now he might have to stuff develop box 1639 01:11:12,700 --> 01:11:10,580 with the with the ghost I mean I'm sure 1640 01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:12,710 Donald Trump would say that uh a million 1641 01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:14,690 ghosts voted in the last election that's 1642 01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:29,030 how we times each if you got a spirit 1643 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:30,290 hand you could always just pull the 1644 01:11:38,350 --> 01:11:32,330 lever without anybody even realizing it 1645 01:11:43,859 --> 01:11:38,360 right hey if you're Russian ghost I mean 1646 01:11:50,169 --> 01:11:48,430 cutting me off yep I try it's time to 1647 01:11:52,330 --> 01:11:50,179 cut you off there Tim cut you off at the 1648 01:11:54,130 --> 01:11:52,340 ectoplasm ahead we'll be right back 1649 01:12:03,000 --> 01:11:54,140 before 1650 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:07,180 now back to exploring the bazaars with 1651 01:12:12,729 --> 01:12:09,770 two of the most electrifying researchers 1652 01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:12,739 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy 1653 01:12:21,370 --> 01:12:19,489 beckoning hunting Swift's final segment 1654 01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:21,380 of exploring the bazaar Tim so I guess 1655 01:12:25,930 --> 01:12:23,510 we better get right into it before we 1656 01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:25,940 run out of time so Jacque during the 1657 01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:27,110 break 1658 01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:29,449 Tim had asked you about whether or not 1659 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:32,270 your group has done any UFO 1660 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:35,530 investigations and what was your answer 1661 01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:39,770 the group has no but unrelated to even 1662 01:12:44,770 --> 01:12:42,560 doing paranormal stuff me and some 1663 01:12:46,780 --> 01:12:44,780 friends of mine we had we had a fishing 1664 01:12:49,810 --> 01:12:46,790 camp up in the wilderness of Quebec had 1665 01:12:52,359 --> 01:12:49,820 a flying to get to the camp and I saw 1666 01:12:54,669 --> 01:12:52,369 some very odd things a couple times up 1667 01:12:57,970 --> 01:12:54,679 there actually the the six of us did and 1668 01:12:59,649 --> 01:12:57,980 we weren't drinking either you know but 1669 01:13:01,810 --> 01:12:59,659 we saw I mean there was a big electric 1670 01:13:04,899 --> 01:13:01,820 storm and this is how far up north where 1671 01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:04,909 we were near the Labrador border so 1672 01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:08,060 further up in Labrador there was a big 1673 01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:10,130 electrical storm and we're just watching 1674 01:13:13,060 --> 01:13:11,750 you can see satellites it's so clear up 1675 01:13:15,010 --> 01:13:13,070 there you see the satellites go by at 1676 01:13:17,229 --> 01:13:15,020 night but there's an electrical storm 1677 01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,239 going on and we're just watching also do 1678 01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:19,040 we see this one thing comes shooting in 1679 01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:21,920 towards that storm now I just was a like 1680 01:13:27,310 --> 01:13:24,409 a bright light in the sky and it stopped 1681 01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:27,320 and it started gyrating above the storm 1682 01:13:31,540 --> 01:13:29,409 then another one came in from the east 1683 01:13:35,620 --> 01:13:31,550 another one from the west and the one 1684 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:35,630 came straight down from space it's the 1685 01:13:39,010 --> 01:13:37,130 only the way I could say it and they 1686 01:13:42,189 --> 01:13:39,020 gyrated around this storm and this went 1687 01:13:44,379 --> 01:13:42,199 on for an hour and we're just sitting 1688 01:13:46,780 --> 01:13:44,389 there watching it out on our dock and go 1689 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:46,790 like what the heck it what trying to 1690 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:48,650 figure out what they are and then we see 1691 01:13:51,790 --> 01:13:50,570 one take off another took off we just 1692 01:13:54,850 --> 01:13:51,800 actually kind of got tired of watching 1693 01:13:55,780 --> 01:13:54,860 it we're like going to bed I never saw 1694 01:13:59,050 --> 01:13:55,790 anything like it these weren't 1695 01:14:00,520 --> 01:13:59,060 satellites they weren't Skylab that 1696 01:14:01,959 --> 01:14:00,530 there whatever it was at the time you 1697 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:01,969 could actually even see that go by at 1698 01:14:04,839 --> 01:14:03,050 night 1699 01:14:08,020 --> 01:14:04,849 and you know the space station and stuff 1700 01:14:11,229 --> 01:14:08,030 but minoo way i don't know what these 1701 01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:11,239 things were but they they're nothing I 1702 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:12,800 think we set up there I'll tell you that 1703 01:14:16,510 --> 01:14:14,570 I don't know what they are you know 1704 01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:16,520 least nothing the argument tells us 1705 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:18,290 about her whatever government tells us 1706 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:20,210 about but they almost almost seemed like 1707 01:14:24,370 --> 01:14:21,770 maybe they were drawing energy from this 1708 01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:24,380 electrical storm you know that's what it 1709 01:14:28,930 --> 01:14:26,480 seemed like to me anyway so I don't know 1710 01:14:30,549 --> 01:14:28,940 what to make of that you know and I saw 1711 01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:30,559 that actually happened a couple times 1712 01:14:36,220 --> 01:14:33,920 over a couple probably you know within a 1713 01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:36,230 four year span you know and it's just 1714 01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,449 really unusual so I don't know what to 1715 01:14:43,870 --> 01:14:40,880 make of it and this thing we come in so 1716 01:14:46,209 --> 01:14:43,880 fast you say boom boom and then they're 1717 01:14:48,220 --> 01:14:46,219 gone they're well we don't have anything 1718 01:14:48,490 --> 01:14:48,230 that moves that fast not that I'm aware 1719 01:14:52,540 --> 01:14:48,500 of 1720 01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:52,550 so Tim Tim and I are working on a book 1721 01:15:00,220 --> 01:14:56,239 about some of the negative effects of 1722 01:15:02,250 --> 01:15:00,230 UFOs you know we call it hostility but I 1723 01:15:05,229 --> 01:15:02,260 I'm not sure if that's the proper term 1724 01:15:09,069 --> 01:15:05,239 there there's one incident that got a 1725 01:15:12,459 --> 01:15:09,079 lot of publicity up in Canada when it 1726 01:15:15,370 --> 01:15:12,469 took place and it's actually the 50th 1727 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:15,380 anniversary yes an encounter that took 1728 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:19,010 place at the Falcon Lake and there was a 1729 01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:23,570 fellow who was a well let me see he was 1730 01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:26,719 a I guess an auto mechanic and he was 1731 01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:29,090 sent spending our mechanic he would 1732 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:33,110 spend his spare time going up near 1733 01:15:40,780 --> 01:15:36,650 Falcon Lake and looking for deposits of 1734 01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:40,790 silver and quarts and a very very remote 1735 01:15:46,810 --> 01:15:43,369 area and he was up there one day and he 1736 01:15:48,879 --> 01:15:46,820 saw two objects in the sky I think one 1737 01:15:54,459 --> 01:15:48,889 was a cylindrical shaped craft and the 1738 01:15:58,810 --> 01:15:54,469 other what are your typical disco with a 1739 01:16:01,660 --> 01:15:58,820 dome to disco type UFO and all and that 1740 01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:01,670 one that don't the domed object landed 1741 01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:07,489 not too far from him and a port or a 1742 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:10,369 door or a gangway of some sort open and 1743 01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:13,010 he got himself pretty close I guess 1744 01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,710 curiosity got the best of him in he 1745 01:16:21,190 --> 01:16:17,600 walked right up to 1746 01:16:27,670 --> 01:16:21,200 the craft to appear inside and he got 1747 01:16:29,260 --> 01:16:27,680 zapped by something you know Leia and 1748 01:16:32,110 --> 01:16:29,270 laser we don't know what they call it 1749 01:16:33,820 --> 01:16:32,120 from where they come from but you know 1750 01:16:37,140 --> 01:16:33,830 something gives out the hell out of them 1751 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:37,150 and he ended up in the hospital and his 1752 01:16:44,110 --> 01:16:40,730 shirt was that he was wearing was kind 1753 01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:44,120 of destroyed in fact it left an imprint 1754 01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:46,880 on his chest the the shirt itself had 1755 01:16:56,410 --> 01:16:50,560 burned off and there was this a grid 1756 01:16:58,780 --> 01:16:56,420 system and a very very painful and the 1757 01:17:02,470 --> 01:16:58,790 the story did get a lot of attention at 1758 01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:02,480 the time and he passed away or maybe I 1759 01:17:09,250 --> 01:17:05,420 guess seven or eight years ago I sold 1760 01:17:11,140 --> 01:17:09,260 age but his son you know has still has 1761 01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:11,150 some of the garments that he was wearing 1762 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:14,110 and they they coming up with a book and 1763 01:17:20,410 --> 01:17:18,410 pretty well or I've seen some of the the 1764 01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:20,420 government documents the Canadian 1765 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:23,090 Mounted Police investigated in the 1766 01:17:28,510 --> 01:17:26,570 Canadian Defense Department and they 1767 01:17:30,700 --> 01:17:28,520 could never come up you know with an 1768 01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:30,710 explanation for this course the the 1769 01:17:34,930 --> 01:17:32,960 skeptics say oh it was a hoax I don't 1770 01:17:37,210 --> 01:17:34,940 know whether he was supposed to have 1771 01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:37,220 taken a blowtorch to his chest her or 1772 01:17:42,490 --> 01:17:40,400 not but the guy he certainly had the the 1773 01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:42,500 pattern I you remember the photo to him 1774 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:46,370 right I mean it's a very popular picture 1775 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:49,610 I mean it's been used and oh yeah yeah I 1776 01:17:54,970 --> 01:17:51,650 I can't believe that somebody would just 1777 01:17:58,060 --> 01:17:54,980 you know just to go and take a blowtorch 1778 01:18:02,740 --> 01:17:58,070 or whatever it was and bloap tort you 1779 01:18:07,740 --> 01:18:02,750 know patter you try you try to do that 1780 01:18:17,620 --> 01:18:12,910 you know okay Carol Kate hold you down I 1781 01:18:20,130 --> 01:18:17,630 let her hold me down that's okay hey Ben 1782 01:18:24,010 --> 01:18:20,140 what's going on in Rendlesham forest 1783 01:18:26,170 --> 01:18:24,020 these days well in August is going to be 1784 01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:26,180 a big event actually because we're 1785 01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:28,489 getting together do some camping you 1786 01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:30,170 ought to be allowed to go to that one 1787 01:18:33,729 --> 01:18:32,000 well they say yeah I mean there's been 1788 01:18:35,979 --> 01:18:33,739 some efforts to try to stop us but so 1789 01:18:37,450 --> 01:18:35,989 basically it says public land it's 1790 01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:37,460 fought with forestry commission land and 1791 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:39,110 we're not breaking any rules so I don't 1792 01:18:44,290 --> 01:18:41,570 they're not gonna try and stop us yeah I 1793 01:18:46,270 --> 01:18:44,300 mean they said you got a question the 1794 01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:46,280 colonel halt again and turn off your 1795 01:18:53,260 --> 01:18:46,880 camera 1796 01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,270 oh well Colonel Holt won't be there that 1797 01:18:57,729 --> 01:18:55,520 is the agretti the greatest incident 1798 01:19:00,850 --> 01:18:57,739 I've ever heard of you you or anybody 1799 01:19:04,150 --> 01:19:00,860 else pulling he has a tibideaux story 1800 01:19:06,610 --> 01:19:04,160 Howie yes Colonel Hall about I guess 1801 01:19:08,770 --> 01:19:06,620 Larry Warren and Colonel Hall tell them 1802 01:19:10,660 --> 01:19:08,780 to shut the camera off and he shut the 1803 01:19:13,660 --> 01:19:10,670 camera off but then when he turned it 1804 01:19:18,100 --> 01:19:13,670 back on he just repeated the story like 1805 01:19:19,630 --> 01:19:18,110 that yeah yeah he's he and Larry burning 1806 01:19:22,420 --> 01:19:19,640 out complete loggerheads and obviously 1807 01:19:24,130 --> 01:19:22,430 there's couldn't Holt dedicates a lot of 1808 01:19:26,110 --> 01:19:24,140 his time when he's onstage now to saying 1809 01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:26,120 how he what he thinks of Larry Warren 1810 01:19:32,380 --> 01:19:30,050 which is a shame because I own 1811 01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:32,390 experience was and what he had was I'm 1812 01:19:37,690 --> 01:19:34,250 sure he's telling the truth about his 1813 01:19:40,090 --> 01:19:37,700 own experience of course he's peeved it 1814 01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,100 to Larry because Larry was the the 1815 01:19:44,770 --> 01:19:42,320 whistleblower here you know for all the 1816 01:19:48,970 --> 01:19:44,780 dirt that that Larry takes if it wasn't 1817 01:19:53,490 --> 01:19:48,980 for him there there would be no Linda 1818 01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:53,500 Moulton Howe or you know Pennington or 1819 01:19:59,740 --> 01:19:57,290 John John Burroughs I mean you know it 1820 01:20:02,620 --> 01:19:59,750 did dad Larry was the one who bought the 1821 01:20:04,990 --> 01:20:02,630 the story to the the attention in the 1822 01:20:06,729 --> 01:20:05,000 world it kind of got screwed if anybody 1823 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:06,739 did because the fellow who took his the 1824 01:20:11,020 --> 01:20:09,050 information I sold it for I don't know 1825 01:20:12,670 --> 01:20:11,030 what ten thousand pounds or something 1826 01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:12,680 right well yeah but they said there's a 1827 01:20:15,850 --> 01:20:13,910 new luckily there's a new documentary 1828 01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:15,860 coming out called Capel green which is 1829 01:20:18,660 --> 01:20:17,570 all about Larry Warren and his story 1830 01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:18,670 which will hopefully set the 1831 01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:20,860 Straight But I mean it's it's true I 1832 01:20:24,510 --> 01:20:22,449 mean if you hadn't been for him and 1833 01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:24,520 basically he was his Testament that 1834 01:20:28,260 --> 01:20:25,600 triggered the whole investigation 1835 01:20:29,610 --> 01:20:28,270 process and the eventual government and 1836 01:20:31,620 --> 01:20:29,620 the government were forced to admit a 1837 01:20:33,180 --> 01:20:31,630 few things and this because it happened 1838 01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:33,190 so soon after the event it was very easy 1839 01:20:37,620 --> 01:20:34,840 unlike with Roswell where there was a 30 1840 01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:37,630 year gap because if it hadn't been for 1841 01:20:41,490 --> 01:20:39,760 Larry basically we still took probably 1842 01:20:43,020 --> 01:20:41,500 30 years later someone would have said 1843 01:20:44,220 --> 01:20:43,030 something and we said oh wow like all 1844 01:20:46,830 --> 01:20:44,230 those years ago there was this thing in 1845 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:46,840 in Suffern whoa well Stan we we wouldn't 1846 01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:48,850 know half as much about it as we do now 1847 01:20:53,220 --> 01:20:50,560 but you know true there is it there 1848 01:20:54,810 --> 01:20:53,230 isn't there is a new book out which I've 1849 01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:54,820 read a couple of chapters are that the 1850 01:21:01,410 --> 01:20:58,840 Philip mantel of published Rendlesham 1851 01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:01,420 forest but the the author is nowhere to 1852 01:21:05,340 --> 01:21:02,320 be found 1853 01:21:07,020 --> 01:21:05,350 that's Andrew pike yeah well he said 1854 01:21:09,810 --> 01:21:07,030 he's I think he's got problems in his 1855 01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:09,820 own life he has to deal with so he can't 1856 01:21:15,540 --> 01:21:13,449 you know the book came out and he's 1857 01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:15,550 never done a show or been interviewed or 1858 01:21:20,669 --> 01:21:18,310 anything else I know I uh you know we 1859 01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,679 wanted to have a man because yeah I've 1860 01:21:23,939 --> 01:21:22,239 got a copy here actually the Rendlesham 1861 01:21:25,979 --> 01:21:23,949 file I've got a copy right in front and 1862 01:21:28,350 --> 01:21:25,989 yeah it's a great big book huge books 1863 01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:28,360 yes yeah I haven't the PDF of it but 1864 01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:30,310 what what good is it if you can't get 1865 01:21:34,169 --> 01:21:32,110 the author to promote a book you know I 1866 01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:34,179 mean that's about the only way you sell 1867 01:21:38,729 --> 01:21:36,280 anything these days well I hope whatever 1868 01:21:40,860 --> 01:21:38,739 it is I hope mr. Pike gets it sorted out 1869 01:21:42,270 --> 01:21:40,870 and you know I don't know what is 1870 01:21:43,979 --> 01:21:42,280 something in his own life I hope he gets 1871 01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:43,989 it so without it's an interesting book I 1872 01:21:47,250 --> 01:21:45,310 think it's a it makes a lot of errors 1873 01:21:49,709 --> 01:21:47,260 but it's it's worth reading it's a 1874 01:21:51,630 --> 01:21:49,719 historical document I think well how 1875 01:21:52,979 --> 01:21:51,640 many how many books have been have been 1876 01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:52,989 written now in bet borders 1877 01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:55,690 oh there's about about a dozen yeah 1878 01:21:59,459 --> 01:21:57,489 there's probably left east cases the 1879 01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:59,469 best one out cites yes yeah it's the 1880 01:22:04,919 --> 01:22:01,840 West we publicly published the first 1881 01:22:05,310 --> 01:22:04,929 book about waters here in the United 1882 01:22:08,010 --> 01:22:05,320 States 1883 01:22:10,979 --> 01:22:08,020 Jenny Randall's wrote from out of the 1884 01:22:13,890 --> 01:22:10,989 blue yeah yeah yeah that was yeah that 1885 01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:13,900 was uh before I think that was before 1886 01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:17,110 even Eastgate it was it was published in 1887 01:22:22,650 --> 01:22:20,560 in paperback but by that time you know 1888 01:22:24,900 --> 01:22:22,660 the cloud in the the UFO publishing 1889 01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:24,910 field that kind of dwindled and where 1890 01:22:29,610 --> 01:22:27,250 you used to be able to sell 150,000 1891 01:22:31,390 --> 01:22:29,620 books you wouldn't sell anywhere near 1892 01:22:35,470 --> 01:22:31,400 that amount today 1893 01:22:38,290 --> 01:22:35,480 it's really really crashing this guy 1894 01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:38,300 crash that's a classic sky quit well 1895 01:22:43,470 --> 01:22:40,910 that was the original word that dot dot 1896 01:22:45,580 --> 01:22:43,480 e dot Street yeah Brenda pop yeah yeah I 1897 01:22:48,190 --> 01:22:45,590 hear from her every once in a while on 1898 01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:48,200 Facebook she's lovely she is yeah yeah 1899 01:22:54,610 --> 01:22:50,480 yeah yeah I I tried to get her on the 1900 01:22:58,170 --> 01:22:54,620 show we did listen we did we did get we 1901 01:23:01,630 --> 01:22:58,180 dig deep here to get to get you know a 1902 01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:01,640 guests that haven't been on you know a 1903 01:23:08,350 --> 01:23:05,570 program either previously or are people 1904 01:23:10,330 --> 01:23:08,360 that you know have have been reclusive 1905 01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:10,340 and have been trying to stay away from 1906 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:12,560 the the public eye for the look you know 1907 01:23:17,230 --> 01:23:15,050 the great number of years and we've 1908 01:23:20,290 --> 01:23:17,240 we've been successful where the voice of 1909 01:23:29,890 --> 01:23:20,300 the paranormal in the United States what 1910 01:23:32,410 --> 01:23:29,900 you say Tim the voice we have typically 1911 01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:32,420 a tip Schwartz of the US and Howard 1912 01:23:41,710 --> 01:23:38,440 Hughes in the UK the unexplained yeah 1913 01:23:45,460 --> 01:23:41,720 indeed yeah well I'd you're right though 1914 01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:45,470 Tim I mean we do try to find people that 1915 01:23:51,070 --> 01:23:48,890 haven't had a chance to to be on other 1916 01:23:54,670 --> 01:23:51,080 programs you know I I know they've been 1917 01:23:58,440 --> 01:23:54,680 overlooked or you know or whatever and 1918 01:24:07,330 --> 01:24:03,760 well on your show he's a ufologist here 1919 01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:07,340 and here near me actually he said area 1920 01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:11,330 what's the name again Tom Conwell Co and 1921 01:24:19,150 --> 01:24:17,360 wel he's written different books on UFOs 1922 01:24:21,610 --> 01:24:19,160 and stuff here and there in the United 1923 01:24:25,180 --> 01:24:21,620 States so yes we had a we had a fellow 1924 01:24:28,630 --> 01:24:25,190 on who wrote a book about UFO sightings 1925 01:24:31,060 --> 01:24:28,640 over Maine which always intrigued me 1926 01:24:34,060 --> 01:24:31,070 because there was an incident that took 1927 01:24:37,690 --> 01:24:34,070 place there in the 1960s where this 1928 01:24:40,380 --> 01:24:37,700 fellow actually shot at a UFO and he 1929 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:40,390 could hear the the bullets ricocheting 1930 01:24:45,850 --> 01:24:43,610 off of the that was I think it Tim and 1931 01:24:48,430 --> 01:24:45,860 Langer yes which is what 1932 01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:48,440 at appropriate day for hitting anyone 1933 01:24:57,129 --> 01:24:53,330 phones yeah yeah finger hey I want to 1934 01:25:02,260 --> 01:24:57,139 ask Jack a question here before we run 1935 01:25:05,979 --> 01:25:02,270 out of time and have you ever gone to a 1936 01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:05,989 scene you know your group really not 1937 01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:08,510 expecting that much you know I mean I 1938 01:25:12,609 --> 01:25:09,710 know that even people have to fill out 1939 01:25:18,370 --> 01:25:12,619 all the format yeah you go into it just 1940 01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:18,380 like yeah well I usually but then it 1941 01:25:22,350 --> 01:25:20,449 just turns out to be like you know wow 1942 01:25:25,419 --> 01:25:22,360 this is like the most incredible 1943 01:25:29,020 --> 01:25:25,429 situation that we have ever seen before 1944 01:25:31,450 --> 01:25:29,030 yeah they actually was it's been a few 1945 01:25:33,820 --> 01:25:31,460 of those well it was a Springfield case 1946 01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:33,830 Springfield bass case where I really 1947 01:25:38,140 --> 01:25:35,449 just thought the guy was really having 1948 01:25:41,530 --> 01:25:38,150 some issues and wow we experienced 1949 01:25:42,729 --> 01:25:41,540 everything he did and I was that was the 1950 01:25:43,450 --> 01:25:42,739 one with the shadow figure and 1951 01:25:46,510 --> 01:25:43,460 everything else 1952 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:46,520 and it's like I got grabbed by something 1953 01:25:53,859 --> 01:25:51,290 there and I'm on the calf of my leg yeah 1954 01:25:56,169 --> 01:25:53,869 it was that was a crazy we heard 1955 01:25:59,439 --> 01:25:56,179 somebody walking through the one 1956 01:26:01,450 --> 01:25:59,449 downstairs which was a guy's apartment 1957 01:26:03,370 --> 01:26:01,460 and his mother's in his mother's house 1958 01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:03,380 somebody walked down the stairs from the 1959 01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:04,610 kitchen walk all the way through the 1960 01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,530 room and there's nobody there nothing 1961 01:26:10,750 --> 01:26:09,199 was on the DVR camera as there are two 1962 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:10,760 investigators who were in the downstairs 1963 01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:13,610 section heard it nobody walked through 1964 01:26:17,050 --> 01:26:14,810 there but you could hear us and you 1965 01:26:18,609 --> 01:26:17,060 could hear a woman humming and the 1966 01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:18,619 investigators heard it and one didn't 1967 01:26:24,189 --> 01:26:22,070 and you know it was it was Wiest that 1968 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:24,199 was a crazy one that was like wow this 1969 01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:27,770 is real true haunting I mean something's 1970 01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:30,409 going on there and we were able to 1971 01:26:34,180 --> 01:26:32,480 figure out it wasn't anything serious at 1972 01:26:36,250 --> 01:26:34,190 least anyway but we experienced 1973 01:26:37,899 --> 01:26:36,260 everything he did and I would say the 1974 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:37,909 Constitution was another one where we 1975 01:26:42,220 --> 01:26:39,770 had a lot of experiences on that ship 1976 01:26:44,260 --> 01:26:42,230 and and a lot of different things weird 1977 01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:44,270 things happen and and weren't really 1978 01:26:48,129 --> 01:26:46,310 expecting that you know I mean it's like 1979 01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:48,139 it's it's a Navy ship what are you ready 1980 01:26:54,250 --> 01:26:51,679 come on really I mean you know but we 1981 01:26:55,839 --> 01:26:54,260 validated a lot of stuff for the crew 1982 01:26:58,030 --> 01:26:55,849 that said yeah we're experiencing this 1983 01:26:59,500 --> 01:26:58,040 and then I was like wow oh you are 1984 01:27:01,390 --> 01:26:59,510 you're right you're are 1985 01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:01,400 so yeah I could say there's been quite a 1986 01:27:06,430 --> 01:27:03,410 few like that well now okay now when 1987 01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:06,440 when people bring you into some of these 1988 01:27:14,530 --> 01:27:11,770 cases do some of them expect you to like 1989 01:27:16,150 --> 01:27:14,540 put the activity to rest you know they 1990 01:27:17,260 --> 01:27:16,160 want you to come in there's like get rid 1991 01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:17,270 of all that stuff we don't want it 1992 01:27:19,330 --> 01:27:17,600 anymore 1993 01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:19,340 yeah that's what they do and we actually 1994 01:27:23,950 --> 01:27:21,650 work to do that it's not easy there's 1995 01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,960 like you always tell people because it's 1996 01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:25,760 it's a combination of things combination 1997 01:27:31,210 --> 01:27:28,400 of okay there is activity going on and 1998 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:31,220 what I found based on the information 1999 01:27:36,130 --> 01:27:32,930 people give us and working with these 2000 01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:36,140 people is a lot of it has to do I 2001 01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:39,110 believe with things in their past they 2002 01:27:45,940 --> 01:27:41,030 have not dealt with that draws a lot of 2003 01:27:48,610 --> 01:27:45,950 this crazy energy to them okay it's like 2004 01:27:52,030 --> 01:27:48,620 the the the moth to the flame okay and 2005 01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:52,040 you have to help them I hope them more 2006 01:27:56,710 --> 01:27:54,290 get straightening out their lives in 2007 01:27:58,350 --> 01:27:56,720 order to keep this activity away and 2008 01:28:00,970 --> 01:27:58,360 there's things we can do we we do 2009 01:28:03,250 --> 01:28:00,980 different prayer things we do you know 2010 01:28:05,620 --> 01:28:03,260 saging we do a lot of things too and we 2011 01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:05,630 teach them some of that that's stuff and 2012 01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:08,239 tell them reconnect with whatever belief 2013 01:28:11,890 --> 01:28:10,250 system you you believe in you know I'm 2014 01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,900 not gonna tell you that oh it's only the 2015 01:28:14,110 --> 01:28:13,760 Catholic Way or it's only this way or 2016 01:28:15,670 --> 01:28:14,120 that way 2017 01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:15,680 hey everybody believes their own stuff 2018 01:28:19,870 --> 01:28:18,080 connect to that go for it and you know 2019 01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:19,880 keep in touch you know with that 2020 01:28:24,700 --> 01:28:22,130 spiritual side of yourself well that's 2021 01:28:27,580 --> 01:28:24,710 why that's why many years ago we decided 2022 01:28:29,890 --> 01:28:27,590 to call our little publishing company 2023 01:28:31,950 --> 01:28:29,900 inner light publications because you 2024 01:28:37,450 --> 01:28:31,960 must follow the paths that lead you to 2025 01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:37,460 whatever and the race exactly what I 2026 01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:39,770 tell these people these people are 2027 01:28:44,500 --> 01:28:41,810 people have problems and there's things 2028 01:28:46,570 --> 01:28:44,510 in their past they've never told anybody 2029 01:28:48,490 --> 01:28:46,580 that they'll tell you and these are bad 2030 01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:48,500 things the bad things had happened to 2031 01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:50,330 them and they never dealt with them and 2032 01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:52,670 I really believe that draws this kind of 2033 01:28:58,540 --> 01:28:55,130 crazy negative energy to them you know 2034 01:29:00,190 --> 01:28:58,550 and and I've seen people their lives 2035 01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:00,200 turn around because they'll listen to 2036 01:29:05,290 --> 01:29:03,410 you to go somebody talk to somebody deal 2037 01:29:08,590 --> 01:29:05,300 with these issues and then we'll go in 2038 01:29:09,970 --> 01:29:08,600 and we'll do our part to try to help get 2039 01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:09,980 things quiet you know and that take 2040 01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:11,570 months that's not something you do one 2041 01:29:15,010 --> 01:29:13,370 day this takes months to do 2042 01:29:17,260 --> 01:29:15,020 you know we have to keep going back a 2043 01:29:18,940 --> 01:29:17,270 lot of times you know and it's not a 2044 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:18,950 one-and-done like I always tell them 2045 01:29:22,030 --> 01:29:20,570 there's no magic wand I can wave and 2046 01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:22,040 make everything go away it doesn't work 2047 01:29:26,380 --> 01:29:24,260 that way now are there any kind are 2048 01:29:30,190 --> 01:29:26,390 there any kind of cases that you refuse 2049 01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:30,200 to handle um no not yet not yet I mean 2050 01:29:37,750 --> 01:29:34,490 if I I do know of some friends of mine 2051 01:29:40,630 --> 01:29:37,760 who are real exorcists and they've told 2052 01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:40,640 me how to identify those real serious 2053 01:29:44,710 --> 01:29:43,010 types of cases and they've told me you 2054 01:29:47,020 --> 01:29:44,720 don't want to do that yourself if you 2055 01:29:49,810 --> 01:29:47,030 ever do you know come to them and they 2056 01:29:51,690 --> 01:29:49,820 know what to do you know and they don't 2057 01:29:54,810 --> 01:29:51,700 charge either but they know how to help 2058 01:29:58,480 --> 01:29:54,820 now you have you have two organizations 2059 01:30:06,400 --> 01:29:58,490 there that you're you're part of the one 2060 01:30:09,460 --> 01:30:06,410 is looking it's words of New England and 2061 01:30:12,940 --> 01:30:09,470 San Diego Ghost Hunters yep what would 2062 01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:12,950 they would they handle this type of work 2063 01:30:18,940 --> 01:30:17,090 differently know that the two teams I 2064 01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:18,950 mean our team spirit of New England San 2065 01:30:23,140 --> 01:30:21,170 Diego ghost hunters are are very similar 2066 01:30:25,180 --> 01:30:23,150 those my friends out in San Diego they 2067 01:30:28,150 --> 01:30:25,190 don't do too many client investigations 2068 01:30:30,700 --> 01:30:28,160 they do a lot of historical places so 2069 01:30:33,820 --> 01:30:30,710 that's a little bit different and they 2070 01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:33,830 run like you know events where people 2071 01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:35,570 can come and learn how to investigate 2072 01:30:39,940 --> 01:30:37,970 and things like that so that's a little 2073 01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:39,950 bit different but they're all good 2074 01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:41,930 people you know and they do try to help 2075 01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:44,090 other people at times when they can even 2076 01:30:49,900 --> 01:30:46,370 out in San Diego Wow well speaking of 2077 01:30:52,390 --> 01:30:49,910 speaking of speaking of learning yes we 2078 01:30:55,210 --> 01:30:52,400 want our listeners here in the last two 2079 01:30:57,820 --> 01:30:55,220 minutes of the show to learn how to it 2080 01:31:01,120 --> 01:30:57,830 they can get in touch with both of you 2081 01:31:05,530 --> 01:31:01,130 gentlemen so Jack why don't you tell us 2082 01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:05,540 where we can go to if we want to speak 2083 01:31:09,190 --> 01:31:07,370 with you well the best way to get a hold 2084 01:31:11,670 --> 01:31:09,200 of me actually probably is on Facebook 2085 01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:11,680 you can look up just Jack Kenna and 2086 01:31:19,420 --> 01:31:14,170 you'll find me right there on Facebook 2087 01:31:21,490 --> 01:31:19,430 and just message me there I actually 2088 01:31:23,170 --> 01:31:21,500 even have a phone number people can 2089 01:31:25,060 --> 01:31:23,180 reach me at if they really want to talk 2090 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:25,070 or they need some assistance or just 2091 01:31:29,220 --> 01:31:26,530 have some questions 2092 01:31:33,390 --> 01:31:29,230 you can actually call me at 533 zero 2093 01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:33,400 zero two seven seven it's kind of yeah I 2094 01:31:38,250 --> 01:31:36,930 see we both contribute to a paranormal 2095 01:31:45,390 --> 01:31:38,260 underground 2096 01:31:49,620 --> 01:31:45,400 we've had you have you have how many 2097 01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:49,630 books now out I have currently my one 2098 01:31:53,070 --> 01:31:50,890 book that's out right now called 2099 01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:53,080 hauntings ghosts and demons which is 2100 01:31:57,810 --> 01:31:55,510 available on amazon.com and I have a 2101 01:32:01,260 --> 01:31:57,820 book coming out this June should be out 2102 01:32:03,330 --> 01:32:01,270 on the 28th called paranormal what did 2103 01:32:08,730 --> 01:32:03,340 they end up call my publisher called oh 2104 01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:08,740 yes paranormal research building a 2105 01:32:16,020 --> 01:32:10,960 comprehensive team or something like I 2106 01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:16,030 can't comprehend subscribe to building a 2107 01:32:22,350 --> 01:32:20,770 strong shipper by shipping which is one 2108 01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:22,360 of our favorite publishers they put out 2109 01:32:30,300 --> 01:32:27,130 some really nice-looking books and then 2110 01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:30,310 I want to go and watch more of your your 2111 01:32:35,310 --> 01:32:33,010 shows on YouTube how do I find you oh 2112 01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:35,320 the best way to get a hold of me via my 2113 01:32:39,210 --> 01:32:37,270 website which is called hospital porters 2114 01:32:45,930 --> 01:32:39,220 against the new world order it's a hate 2115 01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:45,940 people even if they're only two of them 2116 01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:49,330 currently that's right yeah you don't 2117 01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:50,410 have to cheat you don't have to be a 2118 01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:52,210 hospital porter against the alleged 2119 01:32:54,780 --> 01:32:52,960 Podesta Peter 2120 01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:54,790 yeah the website actually has a lot of 2121 01:32:58,800 --> 01:32:57,250 different bits to it in my youtube 2122 01:33:01,770 --> 01:32:58,810 channel as you mentioned my own radio 2123 01:33:03,150 --> 01:33:01,780 show hosts my own shows and I've got 2124 01:33:05,670 --> 01:33:03,160 books like Jack I've written a couple of 2125 01:33:07,170 --> 01:33:05,680 books there's one called Roswell rising 2126 01:33:09,390 --> 01:33:07,180 a novel of disclosure and Roswell 2127 01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:09,400 revealed a world after disclosure which 2128 01:33:14,010 --> 01:33:11,760 is all about the UFO crash retrieval 2129 01:33:15,870 --> 01:33:14,020 Exopolitics disclosure issue they're 2130 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:15,880 fictional books but they're imaginary 2131 01:33:20,340 --> 01:33:18,010 stories about the the very very serious 2132 01:33:22,890 --> 01:33:20,350 subject so you get a copy that they're 2133 01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:22,900 10 pounds each on Amazon code at UK or 2134 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:25,690 amazon.com and you couldn't pick one of 2135 01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:26,890 those up and there's a new one coming 2136 01:33:30,750 --> 01:33:29,110 out hopefully I won't probably won't get 2137 01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:30,760 it done but before Jack's new book but I 2138 01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:33,250 will still hopefully get my new book out 2139 01:33:39,330 --> 01:33:36,730 sometime this year I'm looking at well 2140 01:33:40,290 --> 01:33:39,340 and if we want to I know people will 2141 01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:40,300 want to see the 2142 01:33:45,899 --> 01:33:44,290 Duncan story if we go to Google that's 2143 01:33:47,850 --> 01:33:45,909 the easiest way what do we type in 2144 01:33:50,490 --> 01:33:47,860 what's the name of it it's just put in 2145 01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:50,500 her name is probably Helen Duncan hele n 2146 01:33:54,810 --> 01:33:52,480 and d UNC and you'll you'll come across 2147 01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:54,820 various videos and websites including my 2148 01:33:58,319 --> 01:33:56,530 own production so I've got a high 2149 01:34:01,709 --> 01:33:58,329 quality studio version of my original 2150 01:34:04,020 --> 01:34:01,719 Helen Duncan movie so I might go and 2151 01:34:05,939 --> 01:34:04,030 watch that this it's either that or 2152 01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:05,949 professional wrestling I don't know what 2153 01:34:11,129 --> 01:34:08,590 though and I went oh oh there's no 2154 01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:11,139 choice here but you know honestly it's a 2155 01:34:16,530 --> 01:34:14,320 pretty obvious choice if anyone's in the 2156 01:34:19,109 --> 01:34:16,540 vicinity of Manchester England it's on 2157 01:34:20,879 --> 01:34:19,119 Saturday evening you can come to the 2158 01:34:23,220 --> 01:34:20,889 original advice book community center 2159 01:34:24,689 --> 01:34:23,230 where I am doing a live talk about Helen 2160 01:34:28,049 --> 01:34:24,699 Duncan so you know she come on make me 2161 01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:28,059 and why don't you have somebody taped 2162 01:34:31,979 --> 01:34:30,250 that so you can send it around you know 2163 01:34:35,850 --> 01:34:31,989 I think they I think the organizers of 2164 01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:35,860 the event we love we'd love to sneak in 2165 01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:39,250 and see some of these private shows even 2166 01:34:43,319 --> 01:34:41,590 on YouTube you know even if only 45 2167 01:34:47,459 --> 01:34:43,329 people have watched it or something I 2168 01:34:50,250 --> 01:34:47,469 mean this weekend the weekend author is 2169 01:34:52,379 --> 01:34:50,260 that's the event so yeah and and when 2170 01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:52,389 Tim and I have been very busy have we 2171 01:34:57,839 --> 01:34:55,650 not Tim oh yes always busy we got the 2172 01:35:02,370 --> 01:34:57,849 have we come up with the title yet for 2173 01:35:04,890 --> 01:35:02,380 the hostility yeah I think I I think 2174 01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:04,900 it's it's I've upset to him about that 2175 01:35:11,540 --> 01:35:07,090 I'm sorry Tim but we do we've got the 2176 01:35:13,979 --> 01:35:11,550 bit about hostile UFOs coming out 2177 01:35:17,129 --> 01:35:13,989 sometime soon you're breaking it up a 2178 01:35:18,330 --> 01:35:17,139 little bit there Tim okay well okay now 2179 01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:18,340 right now I can hear you go ahead 2180 01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:22,239 god I was slot slouching in the in the 2181 01:35:28,950 --> 01:35:26,320 chair and yeah the weird winged wonders 2182 01:35:33,569 --> 01:35:28,960 that's our book on crypto the flying 2183 01:35:35,850 --> 01:35:33,579 cryptid creatures and hovering aliens 2184 01:35:38,030 --> 01:35:35,860 that can be seen outside your office 2185 01:35:41,939 --> 01:35:38,040 building or something in a quick glance 2186 01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:41,949 and that's a an excellent book and we 2187 01:35:48,330 --> 01:35:44,730 have another book it was it Hitler's 2188 01:35:50,879 --> 01:35:48,340 secret societies yeah well we'll have to 2189 01:35:51,660 --> 01:35:50,889 leave it affect him because we are out 2190 01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:51,670 of time 2191 01:35:56,490 --> 01:35:53,860 well never at a time 2192 01:35:59,220 --> 01:35:56,500 remember our YouTube channel mr. UFOs 2193 01:36:07,320 --> 01:35:59,230 secret files almost 200 videos up there 2194 01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:07,330 now and growing fast you've been 2195 01:36:13,820 --> 01:36:10,510 listening to exploring the bazaars with 2196 01:36:16,650 --> 01:36:13,830 hosts Timothy Becky and T Swartz 2197 01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:16,660 they're taking back the night by jetting 2198 01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:19,570 non-stop across the cosmos in search of 2199 01:36:25,419 --> 01:36:21,610 the truly bizarre and totally 2200 01:36:27,959 --> 01:36:25,429 unexplained with you as their combines 2201 01:36:32,410 --> 01:36:27,969 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 2202 01:36:33,220 --> 01:36:32,420 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 2203 01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:33,230 radio 2204 01:36:39,530 --> 01:36:36,090 for more information on exploring the 2205 01:36:42,380 --> 01:36:39,540 bazaar and hosts Timothy Becky and Tim 2206 01:36:45,500 --> 01:36:42,390 Swartz check out their kco our digital 2207 01:36:51,710 --> 01:36:45,510 radio network follow their youtube 2208 01:37:02,120 --> 01:36:51,720 channel at mr UFO 1100 explore the